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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still remember being thrown out of a book in which a king was addressed as Your Grace -- before I learned that Your Majesty is a modern innovation and he would have been Your Grace.

And my sister has never watched Pirate of the Caribbean.  She&#039;s a SCAdian and vintage dancer and can&#039;t stand the corset scene.

But -- the things that really kill me are the philosophy.  Political philosophy, religious philosophy, etc.

No, people, it really is possible to believe democracy a terrible form of government and monarchy a good one.  And believe in it a manner that will not be perturbed by someone mentioning that they believe the opposite. 

And those religions?  You do know that people could _believe_ in them, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still remember being thrown out of a book in which a king was addressed as Your Grace &#8212; before I learned that Your Majesty is a modern innovation and he would have been Your Grace.</p>
<p>And my sister has never watched Pirate of the Caribbean.  She&#8217;s a SCAdian and vintage dancer and can&#8217;t stand the corset scene.</p>
<p>But &#8212; the things that really kill me are the philosophy.  Political philosophy, religious philosophy, etc.</p>
<p>No, people, it really is possible to believe democracy a terrible form of government and monarchy a good one.  And believe in it a manner that will not be perturbed by someone mentioning that they believe the opposite. </p>
<p>And those religions?  You do know that people could _believe_ in them, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite is the assumption that because the average age of death in the middle ages was 25ish, that people were aged and decrepit by 40.

People didn&#039;t age faster back then. The average was brought down by infant mortality, warfare, starvation and disease. People who avoided these things aged normally. 

Grrr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite is the assumption that because the average age of death in the middle ages was 25ish, that people were aged and decrepit by 40.</p>
<p>People didn&#8217;t age faster back then. The average was brought down by infant mortality, warfare, starvation and disease. People who avoided these things aged normally. </p>
<p>Grrr.</p>
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		<title>By: Alma Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alma Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calyx Ro, if you want to know anything about Serbia and its history, email me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calyx Ro, if you want to know anything about Serbia and its history, email me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: One and a Half Weeks of Links 12-22-2009 &#8211; Grasping for the Wind</title>
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		<dc:creator>One and a Half Weeks of Links 12-22-2009 &#8211; Grasping for the Wind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: heteromeles</title>
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		<dc:creator>heteromeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@37: I&#039;ll open this up to everyone, because &quot;what&#039;s a good entry-level book for hard SF&quot; is a good question.

Here are three:

Robert Forward&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Flight of the Dragonfly&lt;/i&gt;.  The late Dr. Forward was a propulsion specialist, and the best thing in his stories are usually the spaceships.  So expect mediocre plots and characters.  The interesting thing here is the science, and in that way, it&#039;s an introduction to the &quot;Golden Age&quot;  hard sci-fi stories that were all about engineering and physics.  If you like this, start digging for Asimov, E.E. Smith, and the others.  This is classic &quot;fiction of ideas&quot; type stuff.

Julie Czerneda&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Survival&lt;/i&gt; and its two sequels.  The science here is more hand-waving, but it&#039;s fun to read and fairly easy to find.  Also, the science here is biology, not physics.

If you&#039;re into weird biology and horror, try Peter Ward&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Starfish&lt;/i&gt;.  It&#039;s available free online through a Creative Commons license at www.rifters.com (thanks Peter).

Charlie Stross&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Halting State&lt;/i&gt;.  Charlie&#039;s got some of the more information dense books, in the sense that they&#039;re full of ideas and in-jokes.  They&#039;re fun though.  Halting State is not an easy read for the first few chapters, because it&#039;s written in second person (i.e. you did this, you did that) with several points of view, and the characters are separated by their different voices and situations.  Once you figure out who&#039;s who (after the first few chapters) it&#039;s easy to read.  Halting State is a police procedural set 20 years from now, about a seemingly impossible crime that takes place in an on-line game (basically, a bunch of orcs rob the central bank of a World of Warcraft-like game).   This one&#039;s about as hard as the science gets, and someone actually pulled off a caper vaguely like what he described about six months after the book came out.

See what you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@37: I&#8217;ll open this up to everyone, because &#8220;what&#8217;s a good entry-level book for hard SF&#8221; is a good question.</p>
<p>Here are three:</p>
<p>Robert Forward&#8217;s <i>Flight of the Dragonfly</i>.  The late Dr. Forward was a propulsion specialist, and the best thing in his stories are usually the spaceships.  So expect mediocre plots and characters.  The interesting thing here is the science, and in that way, it&#8217;s an introduction to the &#8220;Golden Age&#8221;  hard sci-fi stories that were all about engineering and physics.  If you like this, start digging for Asimov, E.E. Smith, and the others.  This is classic &#8220;fiction of ideas&#8221; type stuff.</p>
<p>Julie Czerneda&#8217;s <i>Survival</i> and its two sequels.  The science here is more hand-waving, but it&#8217;s fun to read and fairly easy to find.  Also, the science here is biology, not physics.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re into weird biology and horror, try Peter Ward&#8217;s <i>Starfish</i>.  It&#8217;s available free online through a Creative Commons license at <a href="http://www.rifters.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rifters.com</a> (thanks Peter).</p>
<p>Charlie Stross&#8217;s <i>Halting State</i>.  Charlie&#8217;s got some of the more information dense books, in the sense that they&#8217;re full of ideas and in-jokes.  They&#8217;re fun though.  Halting State is not an easy read for the first few chapters, because it&#8217;s written in second person (i.e. you did this, you did that) with several points of view, and the characters are separated by their different voices and situations.  Once you figure out who&#8217;s who (after the first few chapters) it&#8217;s easy to read.  Halting State is a police procedural set 20 years from now, about a seemingly impossible crime that takes place in an on-line game (basically, a bunch of orcs rob the central bank of a World of Warcraft-like game).   This one&#8217;s about as hard as the science gets, and someone actually pulled off a caper vaguely like what he described about six months after the book came out.</p>
<p>See what you like.</p>
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		<title>By: Elias McClellan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elias McClellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@37, yeah Heteromeles, I fell off that one.  Any suggestions for a book of entry to the hard science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@37, yeah Heteromeles, I fell off that one.  Any suggestions for a book of entry to the hard science?</p>
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		<title>By: glenda larke</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenda larke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kids&quot; in reference to children crops up in the 1600s in literature, which probably means that it was around in the vernacular for several hundred years prior to that. Try putting it in you Medieval fantasy, though, and you&#039;ll have an outraged reader telling you it&#039;s a modern Americanism.

You the writer maybe right, but the problem remains - the word has jerked the reader out of the story, which is not good. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kids&#8221; in reference to children crops up in the 1600s in literature, which probably means that it was around in the vernacular for several hundred years prior to that. Try putting it in you Medieval fantasy, though, and you&#8217;ll have an outraged reader telling you it&#8217;s a modern Americanism.</p>
<p>You the writer maybe right, but the problem remains &#8211; the word has jerked the reader out of the story, which is not good. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Adele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felila I had a corset made for under my wedding dress and love it. A friend who does victorian reenactment loves her very accurate victorian one too. They can be a little restrictive but I am full yin favour of them for when you really want to rock your figure. :)

As for accuracy in novels. I think it makes sense for an author to strive for a reasonable level of accuracy, but unless they slap &quot;historcally accurate&quot; all over their publicity I am willing to forgive. 
My problem with Gladiator as a film is that a big fuss was made about the level of research and yet their were things that conflicted with even A level classics studies.  I have never seen an epic fantasy with historical accuracy as a claim so it never bothers me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felila I had a corset made for under my wedding dress and love it. A friend who does victorian reenactment loves her very accurate victorian one too. They can be a little restrictive but I am full yin favour of them for when you really want to rock your figure. <img src='http://www.sfnovelists.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for accuracy in novels. I think it makes sense for an author to strive for a reasonable level of accuracy, but unless they slap &#8220;historcally accurate&#8221; all over their publicity I am willing to forgive.<br />
My problem with Gladiator as a film is that a big fuss was made about the level of research and yet their were things that conflicted with even A level classics studies.  I have never seen an epic fantasy with historical accuracy as a claim so it never bothers me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been traveling and haven&#039;t had time to get back to this conversation (and it&#039;s late now and I just got home from a cousin&#039;s wedding), but I want to thank you all for saying such interesting things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been traveling and haven&#8217;t had time to get back to this conversation (and it&#8217;s late now and I just got home from a cousin&#8217;s wedding), but I want to thank you all for saying such interesting things.</p>
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		<title>By: Felila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ritu Chaudhry: no one doubts that Indo-Aryans invaded South Asia, save a few deluded Hindutvadis. I hope that you&#039;re not one of them. The evidence for the spread of the language is undeniable. However, the spread of a language doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that everyone speaking that language is a descendent of the original speakers. If that were true, then millions of contemporary Indians are descended from the British ... which is, of course, absolutely false. Most scholars believe that Indo-Aryans invaded, conquered some territories, spread their language, intermarried, mingled cultures, and created a number of brilliant NEW hybrid cultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ritu Chaudhry: no one doubts that Indo-Aryans invaded South Asia, save a few deluded Hindutvadis. I hope that you&#8217;re not one of them. The evidence for the spread of the language is undeniable. However, the spread of a language doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that everyone speaking that language is a descendent of the original speakers. If that were true, then millions of contemporary Indians are descended from the British &#8230; which is, of course, absolutely false. Most scholars believe that Indo-Aryans invaded, conquered some territories, spread their language, intermarried, mingled cultures, and created a number of brilliant NEW hybrid cultures.</p>
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