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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/11/24/sff-humor-roundup/#comment-8356</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just ran across this posting. Jim, I agree completely with you. The perception that &#039;real&#039; writing should not contain excess humor is flat out wrong.  Read (or re-read) Monty Walsh by Jack Shaefer (not Shane).  You will laugh so hard you will dissolve into a giggling vortex, you&#039;ll laugh at more forms of humor than you even knew existed. Then you will cry, cry like your mother, your dog and your best friend all died on the same day.  When you wake up the next morning you will be washed clean. It is an extremely powerful cathartic (like a diarrhetic for your psyche). That is writing.  I feel if I can write the tragedy in humor and the humor in tragedy while keeping each distinct... then maybe, just maybe I have some small skill. I fully support and endorse your campaign!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just ran across this posting. Jim, I agree completely with you. The perception that &#8216;real&#8217; writing should not contain excess humor is flat out wrong.  Read (or re-read) Monty Walsh by Jack Shaefer (not Shane).  You will laugh so hard you will dissolve into a giggling vortex, you&#8217;ll laugh at more forms of humor than you even knew existed. Then you will cry, cry like your mother, your dog and your best friend all died on the same day.  When you wake up the next morning you will be washed clean. It is an extremely powerful cathartic (like a diarrhetic for your psyche). That is writing.  I feel if I can write the tragedy in humor and the humor in tragedy while keeping each distinct&#8230; then maybe, just maybe I have some small skill. I fully support and endorse your campaign!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim C. Hines</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/11/24/sff-humor-roundup/#comment-8032</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim C. Hines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@peacerenity - I listed all of the qualifying books and stories that were recommended to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@peacerenity &#8211; I listed all of the qualifying books and stories that were recommended to me.</p>
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		<title>By: peacerenity</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/11/24/sff-humor-roundup/#comment-8031</link>
		<dc:creator>peacerenity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a list of funny fantasy books and no jim butcher? :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a list of funny fantasy books and no jim butcher? <img src='http://www.sfnovelists.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, that&#039;s hilarious! glad to know there are people out there who are as silly as i am!
i find myself feeling that way some days-that making someone cry is more important somehow. but then i sit down to write-starting out with a moody or dramatic scene-and before i know it my brain has found the humour in the situation and i  change it. what can i say? i kill me.
obviously, you kill you, too!
so, &quot;laugh it up, fuzzball!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, that&#8217;s hilarious! glad to know there are people out there who are as silly as i am!<br />
i find myself feeling that way some days-that making someone cry is more important somehow. but then i sit down to write-starting out with a moody or dramatic scene-and before i know it my brain has found the humour in the situation and i  change it. what can i say? i kill me.<br />
obviously, you kill you, too!<br />
so, &#8220;laugh it up, fuzzball!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew A. A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew A. A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was intrigued enough to respond to this and then I couldn&#039;t get a handle on what I wanted to say. I started writing to another article on this site and had me one of those AH-HA! moments sparking my tiny brain.

Tragedy and Comedy are the exact same thing, perhaps with a diferent set of rules -- They are ways to deal with the misfortunes of others.

Farces (which i don&#039;t like) are pointing out the flaws of someone&#039;s ideas. Slapstick is reactions to pain. Romantic comedies are really about the errors in starting new relationships. Etc. etc.

Think about your villain insulting your protag... Could your protag use the exact same insult on the villain and wouldn&#039;t that be a form of comedy?

For me the crew of &quot;jackass&quot; are the perfect example of my likes and hatreds of misery and misfortune. When they make others look foolish, I find their sense of humor disgusting but when they hurt each other i find it funny. But Both situations could be turned on its head and be made into Tragedies, if people did not laugh at every stupid thing they did but cried instead.

Its the way we look at the world. My Mother was forced out of her country in WW2 at the age of 16. She got captured put into a Displaced persons camp in Nazi territory and then was freed to end up in the United States a country of foreign Language and foreign ideologies... And she never once talked badly about any of her situations, more often she made humor of the entire thing.

With all that in my head, I can say that I&#039;ve never thought my comedy pieces had any difference to my more tragic scenes. Though I admit my 2nd book was with the idea of being &quot;light&quot; read and was comical in the way of Asprin&#039;s &quot;Myth Adventures&quot;. But my third book was more Noir wit and crazed humor during tragic moments... 

Comical situations are easier for me to write But my true wish is to write a Happy scene that makes people cry! To me that is the ultimate in emotional/psychy humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was intrigued enough to respond to this and then I couldn&#8217;t get a handle on what I wanted to say. I started writing to another article on this site and had me one of those AH-HA! moments sparking my tiny brain.</p>
<p>Tragedy and Comedy are the exact same thing, perhaps with a diferent set of rules &#8212; They are ways to deal with the misfortunes of others.</p>
<p>Farces (which i don&#8217;t like) are pointing out the flaws of someone&#8217;s ideas. Slapstick is reactions to pain. Romantic comedies are really about the errors in starting new relationships. Etc. etc.</p>
<p>Think about your villain insulting your protag&#8230; Could your protag use the exact same insult on the villain and wouldn&#8217;t that be a form of comedy?</p>
<p>For me the crew of &#8220;jackass&#8221; are the perfect example of my likes and hatreds of misery and misfortune. When they make others look foolish, I find their sense of humor disgusting but when they hurt each other i find it funny. But Both situations could be turned on its head and be made into Tragedies, if people did not laugh at every stupid thing they did but cried instead.</p>
<p>Its the way we look at the world. My Mother was forced out of her country in WW2 at the age of 16. She got captured put into a Displaced persons camp in Nazi territory and then was freed to end up in the United States a country of foreign Language and foreign ideologies&#8230; And she never once talked badly about any of her situations, more often she made humor of the entire thing.</p>
<p>With all that in my head, I can say that I&#8217;ve never thought my comedy pieces had any difference to my more tragic scenes. Though I admit my 2nd book was with the idea of being &#8220;light&#8221; read and was comical in the way of Asprin&#8217;s &#8220;Myth Adventures&#8221;. But my third book was more Noir wit and crazed humor during tragic moments&#8230; </p>
<p>Comical situations are easier for me to write But my true wish is to write a Happy scene that makes people cry! To me that is the ultimate in emotional/psychy humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza Wyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliza Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;ve found that I&#039;ve always had an easier time making people cry. I wrote tragedies when I was fifteen that had grownups bawling (and trust me-- that was crap writing). Giving someone something good and taking it away again seems easy.

It&#039;s the humor that I&#039;m starting to value.

I&#039;m just finishing a project that I&#039;ve spent the last two years on-- a serious intrigue with a bittersweet ending (a little akin to Swan Lake). My best friend still hasn&#039;t forgiven me. Now I&#039;m changing it up with a light steampunk with lots of humor. I think the steampunk is just a better book-- there is a lot of freedom when you don&#039;t take yourself so seriously, and it can make for deeper, more heartfelt writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve found that I&#8217;ve always had an easier time making people cry. I wrote tragedies when I was fifteen that had grownups bawling (and trust me&#8211; that was crap writing). Giving someone something good and taking it away again seems easy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the humor that I&#8217;m starting to value.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just finishing a project that I&#8217;ve spent the last two years on&#8211; a serious intrigue with a bittersweet ending (a little akin to Swan Lake). My best friend still hasn&#8217;t forgiven me. Now I&#8217;m changing it up with a light steampunk with lots of humor. I think the steampunk is just a better book&#8211; there is a lot of freedom when you don&#8217;t take yourself so seriously, and it can make for deeper, more heartfelt writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim C. Hines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim C. Hines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kelly - added.  Thanks!

One of the things I&#039;ve run into with this list is trying to clarify what does and doesn&#039;t qualify as a &quot;humorous&quot; book.  Does it have to be a full-fledged, pun-packed Robert Asprin style book, or does a book that just happens to have substantial humor qualify too?  For the moment, I&#039;m going for inclusive rather than exclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kelly &#8211; added.  Thanks!</p>
<p>One of the things I&#8217;ve run into with this list is trying to clarify what does and doesn&#8217;t qualify as a &#8220;humorous&#8221; book.  Does it have to be a full-fledged, pun-packed Robert Asprin style book, or does a book that just happens to have substantial humor qualify too?  For the moment, I&#8217;m going for inclusive rather than exclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly McCullough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can toss in my latest, MythOS, should you like. I don&#039;t know that it&#039;s humor, but it is supposed to have a substantial compliment of same. The first chapter&#039;s up @ http://www.kellymccullough.com/fiction.html along with the first chapters of the other three to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can toss in my latest, MythOS, should you like. I don&#8217;t know that it&#8217;s humor, but it is supposed to have a substantial compliment of same. The first chapter&#8217;s up @ <a href="http://www.kellymccullough.com/fiction.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kellymccullough.com/fiction.html</a> along with the first chapters of the other three to date.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim C. Hines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim C. Hines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adele - I&#039;ve added Triumff to the list.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adele &#8211; I&#8217;ve added Triumff to the list.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Adele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I pop back in arecommend Triumff by Dan Abnett be added to your list. It a good story and quite funny in a sort of Blackaddery style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I pop back in arecommend Triumff by Dan Abnett be added to your list. It a good story and quite funny in a sort of Blackaddery style.</p>
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