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		<title>By: S.C. Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/09/13/the-condescending-review/#comment-7138</link>
		<dc:creator>S.C. Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenda - I read the book.  The review is still grotesquely condescending toward the genre, but otherwise pretty dead-on.  Unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenda &#8211; I read the book.  The review is still grotesquely condescending toward the genre, but otherwise pretty dead-on.  Unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: glenda larke</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/09/13/the-condescending-review/#comment-7095</link>
		<dc:creator>glenda larke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly wouldn&#039;t critique a reviewer for not liking a book and laying out his/her reasons. I was careful not to say anything about the bulk of his review where he does indeed talk about some of the reasons he didn&#039;t connect with this particular story...

And yes, I am afraid that getting reviewed often does depend on who you are, and maybe that has not a thing to do with the quality of the work. Sad but true. In this case, I think Mr Grossman&#039;s high profile did him a disservice - it meant that he was reviewed by someone who doesn&#039;t normally read genre, and who ended up being patronising.

If it&#039;s any consolation, I read something today that indicated that reviews in newspapers were becoming less important (link in post of 19th Sept on my blog.) http://glendalarke.blogspot.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly wouldn&#8217;t critique a reviewer for not liking a book and laying out his/her reasons. I was careful not to say anything about the bulk of his review where he does indeed talk about some of the reasons he didn&#8217;t connect with this particular story&#8230;</p>
<p>And yes, I am afraid that getting reviewed often does depend on who you are, and maybe that has not a thing to do with the quality of the work. Sad but true. In this case, I think Mr Grossman&#8217;s high profile did him a disservice &#8211; it meant that he was reviewed by someone who doesn&#8217;t normally read genre, and who ended up being patronising.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s any consolation, I read something today that indicated that reviews in newspapers were becoming less important (link in post of 19th Sept on my blog.) <a href="http://glendalarke.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://glendalarke.blogspot.com</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: green_knight</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/09/13/the-condescending-review/#comment-7094</link>
		<dc:creator>green_knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the book in question, but just to play Devil&#039;s Advocate: I&#039;ve read books that would fit that review. Books that were shallow, that were playing on clichees, with cardboard characters and lousy worldbuilding, books that read like &lt;bestseller&gt; warmed up-twice-removed. 

If the Publisher&#039;s Weekly review says &lt;i&gt;Harry Potter discovers Narnia is real in this derivative fantasy thriller&lt;/i&gt; then I&#039;m not surprised a critiquer finds the same. And It appears to be a book that has goals that are slightly at odds with the best of genre - _telling a captivating story_ and _exploring what would happen IF_.

What I am asking, however, is why this book is reviewed instead of the dozens of genuine high quality genre offerings; and I can only point to the celebrity status of the author :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the book in question, but just to play Devil&#8217;s Advocate: I&#8217;ve read books that would fit that review. Books that were shallow, that were playing on clichees, with cardboard characters and lousy worldbuilding, books that read like &lt;bestseller&gt; warmed up-twice-removed. </p>
<p>If the Publisher&#8217;s Weekly review says <i>Harry Potter discovers Narnia is real in this derivative fantasy thriller</i> then I&#8217;m not surprised a critiquer finds the same. And It appears to be a book that has goals that are slightly at odds with the best of genre &#8211; _telling a captivating story_ and _exploring what would happen IF_.</p>
<p>What I am asking, however, is why this book is reviewed instead of the dozens of genuine high quality genre offerings; and I can only point to the celebrity status of the author <img src='http://www.sfnovelists.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: glenda larke</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/09/13/the-condescending-review/#comment-7074</link>
		<dc:creator>glenda larke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yes, Mary - I even remember the child me trying very hard indeed to pretend I was older and more mature than I was, and fooling nobody!

I don&#039;t know the answer either, Kate. But I think there must be one, because SFF, including that which is sheer entertainment, has had tremendous success on the screen, large and small, without being dissed as a genre. I guess we can just keep on writing for a start ... :-)

Re reviewing generally: 
Some people say that the true job of a reviewer is not so much to pull a book to pieces, or praise it to the skies, or even to say if he likes it or otherwise, but to write his review with a view to telling the readers enough to know whether THEY will like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, Mary &#8211; I even remember the child me trying very hard indeed to pretend I was older and more mature than I was, and fooling nobody!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the answer either, Kate. But I think there must be one, because SFF, including that which is sheer entertainment, has had tremendous success on the screen, large and small, without being dissed as a genre. I guess we can just keep on writing for a start &#8230; <img src='http://www.sfnovelists.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Re reviewing generally:<br />
Some people say that the true job of a reviewer is not so much to pull a book to pieces, or praise it to the skies, or even to say if he likes it or otherwise, but to write his review with a view to telling the readers enough to know whether THEY will like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone remember C. S. Lewis&#039;s &lt;i&gt;tuo quoque&lt;/i&gt;?

There is nothing more childish than the desire to appear very grown up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone remember C. S. Lewis&#8217;s <i>tuo quoque</i>?</p>
<p>There is nothing more childish than the desire to appear very grown up.</p>
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		<title>By: Gio Clairval</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gio Clairval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great  post, Glenda.  I think you&#039;re right not to let this pass. 
As I say in my own post, a &#039;real&#039; adult draws inspiration from the child inside. I&#039;m sorry for the reviewer and his lost childhood dreams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great  post, Glenda.  I think you&#8217;re right not to let this pass.<br />
As I say in my own post, a &#8216;real&#8217; adult draws inspiration from the child inside. I&#8217;m sorry for the reviewer and his lost childhood dreams.</p>
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		<title>By: S.C. Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/09/13/the-condescending-review/#comment-7029</link>
		<dc:creator>S.C. Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I say in my own post - We Are the Orcs!

And I wear my orcishness proudly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I say in my own post &#8211; We Are the Orcs!</p>
<p>And I wear my orcishness proudly.</p>
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		<title>By: Hendo</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/09/13/the-condescending-review/#comment-7028</link>
		<dc:creator>Hendo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Glenda,

This kind of literary snobbery irritates me, but I&#039;ve learned to take it with a pinch of salt. Books with pretensions of &quot;Literature&quot; don&#039;t sell in anywhere near the same numbers as popular genre fiction, so it needs to promote be seen as higher or more meaningful to justify itself; cultural, rather than economic, capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Glenda,</p>
<p>This kind of literary snobbery irritates me, but I&#8217;ve learned to take it with a pinch of salt. Books with pretensions of &#8220;Literature&#8221; don&#8217;t sell in anywhere near the same numbers as popular genre fiction, so it needs to promote be seen as higher or more meaningful to justify itself; cultural, rather than economic, capital.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Dixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure there are multiple attempts by reviewers who do not know the genre they have decided to review and trash. It&#039;s the second such review I&#039;ve seen in the last two months. By comparison, this one&#039;s tame, but does not require an apology. I guess Mr. Grossman is lucky? This pisses me off. If you don&#039;t read the genre, feel free to make your review, but make your comments on the quality of the writing. (Did this reviewer enjoy Mr. Grossman&#039;s style, his use of metaphors, etc.) He should not suggest a lack in a story&#039;s genre when he clearly has little to no understanding of that genre.
A reviewer is not out there to make snarky comments because they can. They are there to try and spell out what made the story work or where they thought it failed. This reviewer clearly thought it was his job to encourage the rest of us to grow up. Holy &quot;Holier Than Thou Attitude!&quot; If this book reviewer wishes to be taken seriously, then I suggest he take his job seriously and reduce his level of condescencion or stay clear of genres he is incapable of reviewing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there are multiple attempts by reviewers who do not know the genre they have decided to review and trash. It&#8217;s the second such review I&#8217;ve seen in the last two months. By comparison, this one&#8217;s tame, but does not require an apology. I guess Mr. Grossman is lucky? This pisses me off. If you don&#8217;t read the genre, feel free to make your review, but make your comments on the quality of the writing. (Did this reviewer enjoy Mr. Grossman&#8217;s style, his use of metaphors, etc.) He should not suggest a lack in a story&#8217;s genre when he clearly has little to no understanding of that genre.<br />
A reviewer is not out there to make snarky comments because they can. They are there to try and spell out what made the story work or where they thought it failed. This reviewer clearly thought it was his job to encourage the rest of us to grow up. Holy &#8220;Holier Than Thou Attitude!&#8221; If this book reviewer wishes to be taken seriously, then I suggest he take his job seriously and reduce his level of condescencion or stay clear of genres he is incapable of reviewing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenda, I see what you mean.  The question being then, how to counter this attitude or protest it in a useful manner, or how to get the word out to readers who might be otherwise swayed if given the chance to approach genre work from a different starting point.  I don&#039;t have an answer for that.  A lot of people in my life simply do not read sff, and I&#039;ve come to accept that these people, who might like to read something I&#039;ve written, never will for that reason.  But that&#039;s not the same as a condescending attitude toward it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenda, I see what you mean.  The question being then, how to counter this attitude or protest it in a useful manner, or how to get the word out to readers who might be otherwise swayed if given the chance to approach genre work from a different starting point.  I don&#8217;t have an answer for that.  A lot of people in my life simply do not read sff, and I&#8217;ve come to accept that these people, who might like to read something I&#8217;ve written, never will for that reason.  But that&#8217;s not the same as a condescending attitude toward it.</p>
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