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		<title>By: glenda larke</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/08/31/what-makes-a-successful-writer/#comment-10278</link>
		<dc:creator>glenda larke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 02:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jacoby - sorry been a while in replying this, but I was only just notified about your comment.

Firstly, when I say &quot;write&quot; I am referring to novel writing only, but with all the bits and pieces, i.e. the editing, re-writing, polishing, over and over again.

Secondly, I already have a literary agent and a market for my books, so I no longer have to spend time on that kind of research. However, I still read a lot in my genre (mostly because I want to) which helps me keep up with trends and the kind of thing that is selling. I invest in the publishing indutry by buying books! I read my reviews, which tell me what works and what doesn&#039;t work with my own readers. 

I do at least 5 or 6 thorough rewrites before anyone at all sees the MS. Then I send it out to at least 4 beta readers, and I rework the book on the basis of their comments. Next I have 2 different publisher&#039;s editors (Australian and UK/US) and I rework the book on the basis of their comments too. Then I get comprehensive copy-edits from the two different publishers, and rework the book yet again. I enjoy almost all of it - although there comes a time towards the end of the process when I start to get heartily sick of the particular book I&#039;ve been working on...

Is it work? Of course it is! Difficult? Yes, sometimes. And it&#039;s hard to turn down invitations because I have to work abnormally long hours to achieve what I set out to achieve. But I don&#039;t equate work with unpleasantness. I enjoy work. I have another job as well, which I fortunately enjoy as well, and which gets me out into the field a lot (the rainforest) - and the change between one and the other is like a holiday. So to me, fun and working are pretty much the same thing. 

To relax though - that&#039;s different, and necessary. I walk, I spend time with friends, or read a book. Those things are both fun and relaxing.

Of course it&#039;s not wrong to want to be published. And from the sound of it, you have the determination to get there. But do try to enjoy the process as well as the result!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jacoby &#8211; sorry been a while in replying this, but I was only just notified about your comment.</p>
<p>Firstly, when I say &#8220;write&#8221; I am referring to novel writing only, but with all the bits and pieces, i.e. the editing, re-writing, polishing, over and over again.</p>
<p>Secondly, I already have a literary agent and a market for my books, so I no longer have to spend time on that kind of research. However, I still read a lot in my genre (mostly because I want to) which helps me keep up with trends and the kind of thing that is selling. I invest in the publishing indutry by buying books! I read my reviews, which tell me what works and what doesn&#8217;t work with my own readers. </p>
<p>I do at least 5 or 6 thorough rewrites before anyone at all sees the MS. Then I send it out to at least 4 beta readers, and I rework the book on the basis of their comments. Next I have 2 different publisher&#8217;s editors (Australian and UK/US) and I rework the book on the basis of their comments too. Then I get comprehensive copy-edits from the two different publishers, and rework the book yet again. I enjoy almost all of it &#8211; although there comes a time towards the end of the process when I start to get heartily sick of the particular book I&#8217;ve been working on&#8230;</p>
<p>Is it work? Of course it is! Difficult? Yes, sometimes. And it&#8217;s hard to turn down invitations because I have to work abnormally long hours to achieve what I set out to achieve. But I don&#8217;t equate work with unpleasantness. I enjoy work. I have another job as well, which I fortunately enjoy as well, and which gets me out into the field a lot (the rainforest) &#8211; and the change between one and the other is like a holiday. So to me, fun and working are pretty much the same thing. </p>
<p>To relax though &#8211; that&#8217;s different, and necessary. I walk, I spend time with friends, or read a book. Those things are both fun and relaxing.</p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s not wrong to want to be published. And from the sound of it, you have the determination to get there. But do try to enjoy the process as well as the result!</p>
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		<title>By: JACOBY FROM LA PUSHY</title>
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		<dc:creator>JACOBY FROM LA PUSHY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay Glenda, I directed my last question at you but also to all the responders. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay Glenda, I directed my last question at you but also to all the responders. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: JACOBY FROM LA PUSHY</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/08/31/what-makes-a-successful-writer/#comment-10233</link>
		<dc:creator>JACOBY FROM LA PUSHY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GLENDA LARK: I have a serious question. Do you write novel-length manuscripts when you say &quot;write&quot;, or are you talking about journal writing here and there? I ask because everybody keeps talking about fun, fun, fun in writing but are you engaging in the constant editing and revising process of the manuscript? Are you spending time studying literary agents, what they accept, and what kinds of queries, ect. each one of these agents prefers? How much time have you invested in studying the market, the market for your genre, and the publishing industry? Do you present your work to Beta Readers for feedback and then revise again? I ask all this because, well, this is EXTREMELY hard work. I have written 3 novels and would like to get this 4th one I&#039;m working on &quot;published. Yes, PUBLISHED! This is  WAY to much work to just put in a drawer when I&#039;m done; that would be SILLY! I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with trying to get published or even trying to earn some $ through writing. I mean, typing and editing
/revising just is not really my idea of actual &quot;fun&quot; these days. I mean for fun I&#039;ll play video games or something, watch a movie- not edit a friggin&#039; manuscript!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GLENDA LARK: I have a serious question. Do you write novel-length manuscripts when you say &#8220;write&#8221;, or are you talking about journal writing here and there? I ask because everybody keeps talking about fun, fun, fun in writing but are you engaging in the constant editing and revising process of the manuscript? Are you spending time studying literary agents, what they accept, and what kinds of queries, ect. each one of these agents prefers? How much time have you invested in studying the market, the market for your genre, and the publishing industry? Do you present your work to Beta Readers for feedback and then revise again? I ask all this because, well, this is EXTREMELY hard work. I have written 3 novels and would like to get this 4th one I&#8217;m working on &#8220;published. Yes, PUBLISHED! This is  WAY to much work to just put in a drawer when I&#8217;m done; that would be SILLY! I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with trying to get published or even trying to earn some $ through writing. I mean, typing and editing<br />
/revising just is not really my idea of actual &#8220;fun&#8221; these days. I mean for fun I&#8217;ll play video games or something, watch a movie- not edit a friggin&#8217; manuscript!</p>
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		<title>By: glenda larke</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenda larke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia, perhaps these words of yours are telling: &quot;really a waste of time that I don’t have&quot;. If you are focused too much on the getting published and not enough on the joy of writing, then  definitely there comes a time (if many tries don&#039;t end in a success) when it is time to say &quot;enough&quot;.

 Think of people who play the piano for their own enjoyment. Or knit. Or garden. Or scrapbook. Or any other of a hundred and one hobbies which offer no chance of monetary reward or even recognition. They don&#039;t stop because it is not going anywhere much. Why not? Because they enjoy it. Because they like the finished product. 

If they felt it was a waste of time they didn&#039;t have, they&#039;d be mad to continue past the point where they realize it is not going to end up with them being a concert pianist, or producing prize winning roses or income selling knitted items.

The problem is identifying that &quot; &#039;waste of time&#039; versus the &#039;there&#039;s still hope&#039; &quot; threshold. And that&#039;s a very personal decision. 

There is something I tried in the days before I was published: I sat down and wrote something totally new.
It revived my flagging enthusiasm, and quite frankly, each time I did that, the next book was better and more likely to be published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia, perhaps these words of yours are telling: &#8220;really a waste of time that I don’t have&#8221;. If you are focused too much on the getting published and not enough on the joy of writing, then  definitely there comes a time (if many tries don&#8217;t end in a success) when it is time to say &#8220;enough&#8221;.</p>
<p> Think of people who play the piano for their own enjoyment. Or knit. Or garden. Or scrapbook. Or any other of a hundred and one hobbies which offer no chance of monetary reward or even recognition. They don&#8217;t stop because it is not going anywhere much. Why not? Because they enjoy it. Because they like the finished product. </p>
<p>If they felt it was a waste of time they didn&#8217;t have, they&#8217;d be mad to continue past the point where they realize it is not going to end up with them being a concert pianist, or producing prize winning roses or income selling knitted items.</p>
<p>The problem is identifying that &#8221; &#8216;waste of time&#8217; versus the &#8216;there&#8217;s still hope&#8217; &#8221; threshold. And that&#8217;s a very personal decision. </p>
<p>There is something I tried in the days before I was published: I sat down and wrote something totally new.<br />
It revived my flagging enthusiasm, and quite frankly, each time I did that, the next book was better and more likely to be published.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/08/31/what-makes-a-successful-writer/#comment-8023</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just discovered this, so maybe I&#039;m a bit late. I fully understand the overpowering need to write, come what may. I think what many people (including myself) mean is: &quot;When should I decide that all the research on publishers and agents, and all the careful enquiries and partials etc, are really a waste of time that I don&#039;t have.&quot; 
     I don&#039;t mean at all to sound arrogant, but I am old enough and academic enough and experienced enough to know when writing is good, and I feel sure there are many worse novels than mine in print. I keep on trying to find the right spot for one of my novels, but even with internet it is a slow process. Sometimes I think I should be saying: &quot;Enough! Woman, you&#039;re an idiot! Give up the Angst, and get a life!&quot; Any thoughts on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just discovered this, so maybe I&#8217;m a bit late. I fully understand the overpowering need to write, come what may. I think what many people (including myself) mean is: &#8220;When should I decide that all the research on publishers and agents, and all the careful enquiries and partials etc, are really a waste of time that I don&#8217;t have.&#8221;<br />
     I don&#8217;t mean at all to sound arrogant, but I am old enough and academic enough and experienced enough to know when writing is good, and I feel sure there are many worse novels than mine in print. I keep on trying to find the right spot for one of my novels, but even with internet it is a slow process. Sometimes I think I should be saying: &#8220;Enough! Woman, you&#8217;re an idiot! Give up the Angst, and get a life!&#8221; Any thoughts on this?</p>
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		<title>By: H. Midiam</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/08/31/what-makes-a-successful-writer/#comment-7587</link>
		<dc:creator>H. Midiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading a comment once that was written by someone in their twenties. It was a lament as much as a comment, and it basically said that all of the writers of Science Fiction are gray-haired. After looking through some of the photo albums from prior conventions, I can say that a goodly number of them are. Perhaps it simply takes most of us that long to really get good at the craft.

There is something to be said for persistence, but I find that many of the people who are writing today are just testing the waters. They are more in-love with the idea of being a &quot;writer&quot; than they are with actually putting words on paper or sharing their ideas. When they try for several months or years and still find no success, they are ready to quit. 

I write because that is how I think best. It is much more difficult for me to speak the things I want to say and writing gives me a bit of time to think about my message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading a comment once that was written by someone in their twenties. It was a lament as much as a comment, and it basically said that all of the writers of Science Fiction are gray-haired. After looking through some of the photo albums from prior conventions, I can say that a goodly number of them are. Perhaps it simply takes most of us that long to really get good at the craft.</p>
<p>There is something to be said for persistence, but I find that many of the people who are writing today are just testing the waters. They are more in-love with the idea of being a &#8220;writer&#8221; than they are with actually putting words on paper or sharing their ideas. When they try for several months or years and still find no success, they are ready to quit. </p>
<p>I write because that is how I think best. It is much more difficult for me to speak the things I want to say and writing gives me a bit of time to think about my message.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Heston Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Heston Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many ways this article is right on. You have to love to write to be a writer! I&#039;ve been writing since I was old enough to hold a pencil and draw out stories in pictures, and most of that body of work is never going to see a publisher, but I enjoyed doing it!

There is, however, another side to this issue if you are a full-time writer. I&#039;m fortunate to have a husband who makes enough money that I don&#039;t have to work, so I do my writing full time. Writing is the only job I could ever see myself doing--I just don&#039;t have a passion for anything else. When publication becomes your only career option, the pressure to get there is stronger than it would be for someone who feels satisfied and affirmed in their career and is doing writing as a &quot;second career.&quot;

Just my two cents.

Rachel Heston Davis
Up and Writing
www.rachelhestondavis.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways this article is right on. You have to love to write to be a writer! I&#8217;ve been writing since I was old enough to hold a pencil and draw out stories in pictures, and most of that body of work is never going to see a publisher, but I enjoyed doing it!</p>
<p>There is, however, another side to this issue if you are a full-time writer. I&#8217;m fortunate to have a husband who makes enough money that I don&#8217;t have to work, so I do my writing full time. Writing is the only job I could ever see myself doing&#8211;I just don&#8217;t have a passion for anything else. When publication becomes your only career option, the pressure to get there is stronger than it would be for someone who feels satisfied and affirmed in their career and is doing writing as a &#8220;second career.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
<p>Rachel Heston Davis<br />
Up and Writing<br />
<a href="http://www.rachelhestondavis.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rachelhestondavis.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly round-up of unimportant details &#171; What Have We Learned?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/08/31/what-makes-a-successful-writer/#comment-6959</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabia Gale &#187; Blog Archive &#187; about writing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] witty and pithy for a serious subject. I&#8217;d like to point you to Glenda Larke&#8217;s post on what defines a successful writer, which came on the heels of a long dry season in my writing life. This drought lasted all summer, [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>The Great Geek Manual &#187; Geek Media Round-Up: September 1, 2009</dc:creator>
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