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		<title>By: Alma Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/07/05/when-writers-review/#comment-6737</link>
		<dc:creator>Alma Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, thank you for the kind words! Much appreciated! (And I look forward to welcoming you to my more literary worlds when your paths eventually take you there....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, thank you for the kind words! Much appreciated! (And I look forward to welcoming you to my more literary worlds when your paths eventually take you there&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/07/05/when-writers-review/#comment-6736</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, meant to say, as  PS to my previous comment, that you&#039;re on a bit of a roll for your articles here, this one and your previous (especially the previous) have been two of the more &quot;stand-out&quot; recent sfnovelists&#039; posts for a while for me.

I&#039;ve never actually bought or read one of your books, but you&#039;ve made it onto my list of authors to investigate from the thoughtful tone of your writings here.

That sounds like a less than enthusiastic response I know, and maybe a bit arrogant, but my point isn&#039;t my deigning to take notice, it&#039;s that posting interesting stuff here has made it happen, it&#039;s good advertising. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, meant to say, as  PS to my previous comment, that you&#8217;re on a bit of a roll for your articles here, this one and your previous (especially the previous) have been two of the more &#8220;stand-out&#8221; recent sfnovelists&#8217; posts for a while for me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never actually bought or read one of your books, but you&#8217;ve made it onto my list of authors to investigate from the thoughtful tone of your writings here.</p>
<p>That sounds like a less than enthusiastic response I know, and maybe a bit arrogant, but my point isn&#8217;t my deigning to take notice, it&#8217;s that posting interesting stuff here has made it happen, it&#8217;s good advertising. <img src='http://www.sfnovelists.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/07/05/when-writers-review/#comment-6735</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any review needs to be honest to be useful, and to give reasons for the opinions stated, without reasons it&#039;s not a review, just a statement of how much you enjoyed it, and why on earth would anyone who doesn&#039;t personally know you care?

Whether a reviewer liked or disliked the book (or film or anything else) is largely irrelevent to me, there&#039;s many times when a well written review by someone saying they disliked something has been a reason for me to buy something, because the reasons they gave for disliking it made it clear (or led me to hope) that it would be something that I liked.

Regarding writers reviewing other writers: I&#039;m highly sceptical, it falls into the same category as the &quot;best thing since lord of the rings!!!!&quot; (or the sci-fi equivilent &quot;the UK&#039;s greatest living sci-fi author!!!&quot;) cover-quotes by some random other best-selling author. Without knowing the neutrality of the person in question or what vested interests they have, I&#039;m just inclined to dismiss it.

That said, if reasons are given, or you&#039;re familiar enough with the taste of the reviewing author in question, you can still glean useful information from one, or try to get a feel for the authenticity of the review (as opposed to it being &quot;hey, say something nice about this other author&quot; that gets dressed up as a review by the marketing department.)

Also it quickly becomes obvious when some authors are either being fairly mercenary in their recommendations, or just have extremely low standards, because they tend to turn up on the cover of every single &quot;next big thing&quot; author for a year or two, absolutely regardless of quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any review needs to be honest to be useful, and to give reasons for the opinions stated, without reasons it&#8217;s not a review, just a statement of how much you enjoyed it, and why on earth would anyone who doesn&#8217;t personally know you care?</p>
<p>Whether a reviewer liked or disliked the book (or film or anything else) is largely irrelevent to me, there&#8217;s many times when a well written review by someone saying they disliked something has been a reason for me to buy something, because the reasons they gave for disliking it made it clear (or led me to hope) that it would be something that I liked.</p>
<p>Regarding writers reviewing other writers: I&#8217;m highly sceptical, it falls into the same category as the &#8220;best thing since lord of the rings!!!!&#8221; (or the sci-fi equivilent &#8220;the UK&#8217;s greatest living sci-fi author!!!&#8221;) cover-quotes by some random other best-selling author. Without knowing the neutrality of the person in question or what vested interests they have, I&#8217;m just inclined to dismiss it.</p>
<p>That said, if reasons are given, or you&#8217;re familiar enough with the taste of the reviewing author in question, you can still glean useful information from one, or try to get a feel for the authenticity of the review (as opposed to it being &#8220;hey, say something nice about this other author&#8221; that gets dressed up as a review by the marketing department.)</p>
<p>Also it quickly becomes obvious when some authors are either being fairly mercenary in their recommendations, or just have extremely low standards, because they tend to turn up on the cover of every single &#8220;next big thing&#8221; author for a year or two, absolutely regardless of quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabia Gale » Blog Archive &#187; about reviewing</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/07/05/when-writers-review/#comment-6734</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabia Gale » Blog Archive &#187; about reviewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alexander&#8217;s post on reviewing writers (as in, writers who review other writers&#8217; books, not the reviewing OF writers) popped up in my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Liane Merciel</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/07/05/when-writers-review/#comment-6733</link>
		<dc:creator>Liane Merciel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, reviews serve three main purposes:

(1) Helping me find books I might enjoy, or avoid books I might dislike. On Amazon, I read the synopsis, the editorial/professional review snippets, and the negative customer reviews. The positive ones tend to be more generic and therefore less helpful to me, although there are exceptions.

(2) Helping me find things in the book, and appreciate deeper subtleties, that I would otherwise have missed. The better professional reviews do this. The less-good professional reviews come off as pretentious wankery.

(3) Spurring fan discussion on message boards and the blogosphere. Reviews that stake out contrary or unusual opinions, and support them with citations to the text and well-reasoned arguments, do this. Superficial &quot;I love it!!!&quot; or &quot;This book sux!!!&quot; reactions do not.

There is also a lesser purpose (4) Helping me see flaws and virtues that I might wish to avoid or try to achieve in my own work. Clearly there are limits to how much an analysis of someone else&#039;s work can be relevant or helpful to your own, but it&#039;s good to know what readers like and what techniques don&#039;t work or what plot devices they reject. Reading with a writer&#039;s eye, and then seeing how normal readers react to the same text, can be a useful reality check.

I think that there is a great deal of value that a writer can say about another writer&#039;s work, but when I do it -- and it&#039;s uncommon that I do, since I&#039;m more a lurker than a talker -- I usually veil my opinions behind a cloak of anonymity. The Internet makes that easy, and personally I think it&#039;s more useful to let the message stand on its own, without whatever slant the reader might bring to it if the speaker were known.

Of course there are potential abuses in that (Robert Stanek&#039;s notorious misuse of Amazon&#039;s review system, for one), but that&#039;s the way it goes with everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, reviews serve three main purposes:</p>
<p>(1) Helping me find books I might enjoy, or avoid books I might dislike. On Amazon, I read the synopsis, the editorial/professional review snippets, and the negative customer reviews. The positive ones tend to be more generic and therefore less helpful to me, although there are exceptions.</p>
<p>(2) Helping me find things in the book, and appreciate deeper subtleties, that I would otherwise have missed. The better professional reviews do this. The less-good professional reviews come off as pretentious wankery.</p>
<p>(3) Spurring fan discussion on message boards and the blogosphere. Reviews that stake out contrary or unusual opinions, and support them with citations to the text and well-reasoned arguments, do this. Superficial &#8220;I love it!!!&#8221; or &#8220;This book sux!!!&#8221; reactions do not.</p>
<p>There is also a lesser purpose (4) Helping me see flaws and virtues that I might wish to avoid or try to achieve in my own work. Clearly there are limits to how much an analysis of someone else&#8217;s work can be relevant or helpful to your own, but it&#8217;s good to know what readers like and what techniques don&#8217;t work or what plot devices they reject. Reading with a writer&#8217;s eye, and then seeing how normal readers react to the same text, can be a useful reality check.</p>
<p>I think that there is a great deal of value that a writer can say about another writer&#8217;s work, but when I do it &#8212; and it&#8217;s uncommon that I do, since I&#8217;m more a lurker than a talker &#8212; I usually veil my opinions behind a cloak of anonymity. The Internet makes that easy, and personally I think it&#8217;s more useful to let the message stand on its own, without whatever slant the reader might bring to it if the speaker were known.</p>
<p>Of course there are potential abuses in that (Robert Stanek&#8217;s notorious misuse of Amazon&#8217;s review system, for one), but that&#8217;s the way it goes with everything.</p>
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		<title>By: green_knight</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/07/05/when-writers-review/#comment-6732</link>
		<dc:creator>green_knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t do many reviews, and most of them under the heading of &#039;The Writer Reads&#039; - where I look at novels and pick up one or more techniques that do or don&#039;t work for me. I&#039;m always interested in working out why a book works for people - and it must have worked for someone to go that far through the publishing process - but I also don&#039;t believe that every book was created equal. I can admire books and writers I don&#039;t much like (Jon Courtenay Grimwood comes to mind, whose prose it utterly *wonderful* and I still wasn&#039;t moved to finish Stamping Butterflies because of the plot that didn&#039;t work for me) and I equally used to love books that I can now see the flaws in, and have evolved to a point where the flaws distract me. 

I want honesty from a reviewer. I want them to be skilled enough to give reasons why they did or didn&#039;t like a book, what worked for them and what didn&#039;t, what the book&#039;s strengths and weaknesses are. I don&#039;t want hype or hyperbole, and I&#039;d much rather see a writer say &#039;this book was really not for me&#039; if they hated it than to mumble something about &#039;decently written, interesting setting&#039; that might be taken at face value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t do many reviews, and most of them under the heading of &#8216;The Writer Reads&#8217; &#8211; where I look at novels and pick up one or more techniques that do or don&#8217;t work for me. I&#8217;m always interested in working out why a book works for people &#8211; and it must have worked for someone to go that far through the publishing process &#8211; but I also don&#8217;t believe that every book was created equal. I can admire books and writers I don&#8217;t much like (Jon Courtenay Grimwood comes to mind, whose prose it utterly *wonderful* and I still wasn&#8217;t moved to finish Stamping Butterflies because of the plot that didn&#8217;t work for me) and I equally used to love books that I can now see the flaws in, and have evolved to a point where the flaws distract me. </p>
<p>I want honesty from a reviewer. I want them to be skilled enough to give reasons why they did or didn&#8217;t like a book, what worked for them and what didn&#8217;t, what the book&#8217;s strengths and weaknesses are. I don&#8217;t want hype or hyperbole, and I&#8217;d much rather see a writer say &#8216;this book was really not for me&#8217; if they hated it than to mumble something about &#8216;decently written, interesting setting&#8217; that might be taken at face value.</p>
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		<title>By: glenda larke</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/07/05/when-writers-review/#comment-6731</link>
		<dc:creator>glenda larke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always appreciated the honesty of your reviews, Alma. They are exactly the kind of reviews I hope to get for my books: thoughtful, with the kind of comments that a writer can learn from, i.e. what worked or what didn&#039;t for the reviewer.

I&#039;ve always thought, though, that any author has to be careful about making too much of a good or a poor review (poor in the &quot;I didn&#039;t like it&quot; sense), because in the end it is just one person&#039;s opinion and there is no way on earth that any author  is going to please everyone.

In the end what I try to get out of a review of a book I haven&#039;t read but am thinking of buying is the idea of whether I would like it, not whether the reviewer liked it. Pretty much what Tom said above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always appreciated the honesty of your reviews, Alma. They are exactly the kind of reviews I hope to get for my books: thoughtful, with the kind of comments that a writer can learn from, i.e. what worked or what didn&#8217;t for the reviewer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought, though, that any author has to be careful about making too much of a good or a poor review (poor in the &#8220;I didn&#8217;t like it&#8221; sense), because in the end it is just one person&#8217;s opinion and there is no way on earth that any author  is going to please everyone.</p>
<p>In the end what I try to get out of a review of a book I haven&#8217;t read but am thinking of buying is the idea of whether I would like it, not whether the reviewer liked it. Pretty much what Tom said above.</p>
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		<title>By: C.E. Aranaga</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.E. Aranaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  I agree totally with your review of &quot;Princess of Roumania.&quot; I reviewed it in 2005 (http://www.scifidimensions.com/Oct05/roumania.htm).  I&#039;m not a novelist, nor do I have aspirations in that regard.  But sure, when presented with a list of review copies from which to choose, I steer to titles I am likely to enjoy or authors I already know I like.  That surely predisposes me to writing positive reviews, if (as is often the case) the book merits a better than passing grade.  As with the Paul Park book though, I do not shy away from criticism when I find the work a let-down or a waste of time. The best a reviewer can do is offer an informed opinion, and turn on readers to a great book, or save readers the bother or tackling a less than satisfying work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  I agree totally with your review of &#8220;Princess of Roumania.&#8221; I reviewed it in 2005 (<a href="http://www.scifidimensions.com/Oct05/roumania.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.scifidimensions.com/Oct05/roumania.htm</a>).  I&#8217;m not a novelist, nor do I have aspirations in that regard.  But sure, when presented with a list of review copies from which to choose, I steer to titles I am likely to enjoy or authors I already know I like.  That surely predisposes me to writing positive reviews, if (as is often the case) the book merits a better than passing grade.  As with the Paul Park book though, I do not shy away from criticism when I find the work a let-down or a waste of time. The best a reviewer can do is offer an informed opinion, and turn on readers to a great book, or save readers the bother or tackling a less than satisfying work.</p>
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		<title>By: S.C. Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.C. Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a writer writing reviews, I don&#039;t think you can win.  My prime example?  The NY Times Book Review section, in which writers review one another in a deadly spiral of fawning and secret handshakes.  I just don&#039;t trust them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a writer writing reviews, I don&#8217;t think you can win.  My prime example?  The NY Times Book Review section, in which writers review one another in a deadly spiral of fawning and secret handshakes.  I just don&#8217;t trust them.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Heine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Heine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda agree with Tom. I don&#039;t usually care for reviews (movie reviews too), precisely because they are opinion.

With regards to what I personally enjoy, the only opinion that matters is my own, and to a lesser extent those of friends who tend to share my opinions on what is entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda agree with Tom. I don&#8217;t usually care for reviews (movie reviews too), precisely because they are opinion.</p>
<p>With regards to what I personally enjoy, the only opinion that matters is my own, and to a lesser extent those of friends who tend to share my opinions on what is entertaining.</p>
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