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	<title>Comments on: Writing and Self Promotion, A Dialogue With Myself</title>
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		<title>By: anne michaud</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne michaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 15:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, brother!

I feel the exact same way about all that self-promotion nonesense. 

You know what? I would much rather write than waste my time on something that might never lift off - unlike my writing.

And have you noticed how the &#039;big cheeses&#039; of writing are NOT involved self-promotion? I know, it&#039;s because they don&#039;t need it, but mainly it&#039;s because they write good books that people WANT to read, instead of wasting time doing something else, ie self-promoting.

Kelly, we should start a club: The Non-Self-Promoting Types. TNSPT, catchy.

anne :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, brother!</p>
<p>I feel the exact same way about all that self-promotion nonesense. </p>
<p>You know what? I would much rather write than waste my time on something that might never lift off &#8211; unlike my writing.</p>
<p>And have you noticed how the &#8216;big cheeses&#8217; of writing are NOT involved self-promotion? I know, it&#8217;s because they don&#8217;t need it, but mainly it&#8217;s because they write good books that people WANT to read, instead of wasting time doing something else, ie self-promoting.</p>
<p>Kelly, we should start a club: The Non-Self-Promoting Types. TNSPT, catchy.</p>
<p>anne <img src='http://www.sfnovelists.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kelly McCullough</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/05/11/writing-and-self-promotion-a-dialogue-with-myself/#comment-6396</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hwm, my contention is not that no promotion works, just that the vast majority of &lt;i&gt;authorial self-promotion&lt;/i&gt; has no real effect on visibility and is in fact a waste of author time and/or money, and that because of that it is counterproductive both to long term career-building and short term sales. My secondary point is that nobody knows which promotion works beyond the law of diminishing returns. If publishers knew that doing X promotion would result in Y sales for a net profit of Z, they&#039;d be doing it all the time. Since they don&#039;t I think that&#039;s a fairly safe pronouncement. As for bad writing, I try to avoid making those calls, because it&#039;s a highly subjective measure. I prefer to think in terms of success. There are books that I think are awful that are highly successful and vice-versa. How much that is dependent on promotion and how much it&#039;s dependent on mass tastes is an open question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hwm, my contention is not that no promotion works, just that the vast majority of <i>authorial self-promotion</i> has no real effect on visibility and is in fact a waste of author time and/or money, and that because of that it is counterproductive both to long term career-building and short term sales. My secondary point is that nobody knows which promotion works beyond the law of diminishing returns. If publishers knew that doing X promotion would result in Y sales for a net profit of Z, they&#8217;d be doing it all the time. Since they don&#8217;t I think that&#8217;s a fairly safe pronouncement. As for bad writing, I try to avoid making those calls, because it&#8217;s a highly subjective measure. I prefer to think in terms of success. There are books that I think are awful that are highly successful and vice-versa. How much that is dependent on promotion and how much it&#8217;s dependent on mass tastes is an open question.</p>
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		<title>By: hwm</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/05/11/writing-and-self-promotion-a-dialogue-with-myself/#comment-6395</link>
		<dc:creator>hwm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 09:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, your essay strikes me as odd. I can understand why somebody wouldn&#039;t like doing promotion and it&#039;s clear that not every method is effective. However, if nobody knows your book is out there, nobody is going to buy it. Now that the booksellers have reduced the return time, the first few weeks might be the only ones your book is on the shelves. Afterwards it&#039;s word of mouth that will bring you sales.

There are tons of books to choose from and as a reader on a budget I&#039;m less likely to try an author I&#039;ve never heard of. Often it takes several favorable mentions on blogs, forums et cetera to make me buy a book. 
Your novel might be fantastic. If I&#039;ve never heard about it, I wont care, because there are many that are just as well written and whose authors embrace promotion.

However you&#039;re completely on spot when you say that promotion doesn&#039;t compensate for bad writing - except when it does ;-) Dan Brown, Christopher Paolini, Stephenie Meyer anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, your essay strikes me as odd. I can understand why somebody wouldn&#8217;t like doing promotion and it&#8217;s clear that not every method is effective. However, if nobody knows your book is out there, nobody is going to buy it. Now that the booksellers have reduced the return time, the first few weeks might be the only ones your book is on the shelves. Afterwards it&#8217;s word of mouth that will bring you sales.</p>
<p>There are tons of books to choose from and as a reader on a budget I&#8217;m less likely to try an author I&#8217;ve never heard of. Often it takes several favorable mentions on blogs, forums et cetera to make me buy a book.<br />
Your novel might be fantastic. If I&#8217;ve never heard about it, I wont care, because there are many that are just as well written and whose authors embrace promotion.</p>
<p>However you&#8217;re completely on spot when you say that promotion doesn&#8217;t compensate for bad writing &#8211; except when it does <img src='http://www.sfnovelists.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Dan Brown, Christopher Paolini, Stephenie Meyer anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly McCullough</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/05/11/writing-and-self-promotion-a-dialogue-with-myself/#comment-6394</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Angela. I&#039;m glad you find something of value in it, particularly given that it&#039;s an area with which you have considerable expertise. I&#039;ll definitely be popping over to your blog next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Angela. I&#8217;m glad you find something of value in it, particularly given that it&#8217;s an area with which you have considerable expertise. I&#8217;ll definitely be popping over to your blog next.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this post. 

When I first started reading, I thought it was completely the opposite of what I think and believe, but some points resonated with me.

I write, but not as much as I&#039;d like (preaching to the choir, I know!). My &quot;day job&quot; (which keeps me in chocolate and writing supplies) is a social media consultant (i.e. online networking nerd). I teach businesses and nonprofits how to market themselves online. I started a blog for authors about this very thing - cheap, DIY promotions authors can afford. (Because you don&#039;t need to break the bank to do a little promotion.)

One thing I run into with authors is the All Work and No Play philosophy. They believe they must promote themselves 80 hours a week for three months to be a success. They get burned out, don&#039;t want to check their email and cannot stand to even think about the computer for weeks afterward.

They don&#039;t realize that more isn&#039;t better. It can actually hurt - in many, many ways. 

Balance is really key. Do the things you like. If there are other promotional things you MUST do, but hate, then get friends and family to help. (Most work for food - especially kids and grandkids.) 

Some authors will need more promotion than others to really take off. That is just the nature of business. But doing it wisely is key to success - and keeping sanity.

Kelly, thanks so much for a great post! I&#039;m bookmarking this one to reread again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this post. </p>
<p>When I first started reading, I thought it was completely the opposite of what I think and believe, but some points resonated with me.</p>
<p>I write, but not as much as I&#8217;d like (preaching to the choir, I know!). My &#8220;day job&#8221; (which keeps me in chocolate and writing supplies) is a social media consultant (i.e. online networking nerd). I teach businesses and nonprofits how to market themselves online. I started a blog for authors about this very thing &#8211; cheap, DIY promotions authors can afford. (Because you don&#8217;t need to break the bank to do a little promotion.)</p>
<p>One thing I run into with authors is the All Work and No Play philosophy. They believe they must promote themselves 80 hours a week for three months to be a success. They get burned out, don&#8217;t want to check their email and cannot stand to even think about the computer for weeks afterward.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t realize that more isn&#8217;t better. It can actually hurt &#8211; in many, many ways. </p>
<p>Balance is really key. Do the things you like. If there are other promotional things you MUST do, but hate, then get friends and family to help. (Most work for food &#8211; especially kids and grandkids.) </p>
<p>Some authors will need more promotion than others to really take off. That is just the nature of business. But doing it wisely is key to success &#8211; and keeping sanity.</p>
<p>Kelly, thanks so much for a great post! I&#8217;m bookmarking this one to reread again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly McCullough</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/05/11/writing-and-self-promotion-a-dialogue-with-myself/#comment-6385</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, Thanks.

Jeff, I don&#039;t know about that. I think that most author generated PR falls into the category of bad tactics and bad strategy. It doesn&#039;t generate sales in the short term and it mostly comes across as noise in the long term. But I definitely agree that if you enjoy doing a particular PR thing it can be worthwhile. Hence my doing cons, readings, and interviews. I think that both in terms of &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; book and career, you&#039;re better off devoting most of that time and energy to writing another book, because over the long term it&#039;s good books and lots of them that are your best way to build a career. Of course, I find taking breaks from writing to be stressful rather than relaxing, so that slants my take some.

Tanya, thanks for the data and the compliment. I&#039;m glad you&#039;re enjoying the Ravirn books, and, you&#039;re welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, Thanks.</p>
<p>Jeff, I don&#8217;t know about that. I think that most author generated PR falls into the category of bad tactics and bad strategy. It doesn&#8217;t generate sales in the short term and it mostly comes across as noise in the long term. But I definitely agree that if you enjoy doing a particular PR thing it can be worthwhile. Hence my doing cons, readings, and interviews. I think that both in terms of <i>this</i> book and career, you&#8217;re better off devoting most of that time and energy to writing another book, because over the long term it&#8217;s good books and lots of them that are your best way to build a career. Of course, I find taking breaks from writing to be stressful rather than relaxing, so that slants my take some.</p>
<p>Tanya, thanks for the data and the compliment. I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re enjoying the Ravirn books, and, you&#8217;re welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: tanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reader here...I dont pay attention to &quot;promotions&quot; will occasionally look to see if a writer I like is passing thru town (so i can get my book signed)....BUT i do read books and find books from sites like this....i will follow a link made by one writer on one site and if i like their blog - then i will pick up their book.

I say KEEP writing - i will be here.  Oh and please don&#039;t stop writing the Ravrin series - really like them.  It is a very cool and different concept in the UF world.  Many thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reader here&#8230;I dont pay attention to &#8220;promotions&#8221; will occasionally look to see if a writer I like is passing thru town (so i can get my book signed)&#8230;.BUT i do read books and find books from sites like this&#8230;.i will follow a link made by one writer on one site and if i like their blog &#8211; then i will pick up their book.</p>
<p>I say KEEP writing &#8211; i will be here.  Oh and please don&#8217;t stop writing the Ravrin series &#8211; really like them.  It is a very cool and different concept in the UF world.  Many thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff VanderMeer</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/05/11/writing-and-self-promotion-a-dialogue-with-myself/#comment-6382</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff VanderMeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re thinking tactically, not strategically. Of course PR doesn&#039;t result in direct sales. It results indirectly in sales through repetition and its &quot;performance&quot; is across your career. Engaging the right kinds of PR--ones that you enjoy and don&#039;t stress you out--help protect your *career* not an individual book.

Of course the emphasis should be on the creativity. But I find I need breaks from writing. I just do the PR during the breaks, so I can recharge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re thinking tactically, not strategically. Of course PR doesn&#8217;t result in direct sales. It results indirectly in sales through repetition and its &#8220;performance&#8221; is across your career. Engaging the right kinds of PR&#8211;ones that you enjoy and don&#8217;t stress you out&#8211;help protect your *career* not an individual book.</p>
<p>Of course the emphasis should be on the creativity. But I find I need breaks from writing. I just do the PR during the breaks, so I can recharge.</p>
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		<title>By: S.C. Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.C. Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put.</description>
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		<title>By: Kelly McCullough</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/05/11/writing-and-self-promotion-a-dialogue-with-myself/#comment-6378</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 04:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alyx, yep, there&#039;s a certain amount of pleasure to be had in coming to a logical conclusion that also saves effort.

Laura, thanks! I don&#039;t know how situational it is. I&#039;ve &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; been convinced that it&#039;s worth the effort, even when I&#039;m months away from release and not working on anything else. And, absolutely, in the end, it always comes back to the writing.

Jace, tomayto-tomahto.... Sure there&#039;s some of that, but I also really don&#039;t believe that most self-promo makes much sense. Oh, and thanks!

Tim, thanks for the reinforcement. Eric&#039;s a good guy and very smart. I&#039;ll happily add him to my list of seasoned pros who come down on this side of the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alyx, yep, there&#8217;s a certain amount of pleasure to be had in coming to a logical conclusion that also saves effort.</p>
<p>Laura, thanks! I don&#8217;t know how situational it is. I&#8217;ve <i>never</i> been convinced that it&#8217;s worth the effort, even when I&#8217;m months away from release and not working on anything else. And, absolutely, in the end, it always comes back to the writing.</p>
<p>Jace, tomayto-tomahto&#8230;. Sure there&#8217;s some of that, but I also really don&#8217;t believe that most self-promo makes much sense. Oh, and thanks!</p>
<p>Tim, thanks for the reinforcement. Eric&#8217;s a good guy and very smart. I&#8217;ll happily add him to my list of seasoned pros who come down on this side of the line.</p>
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