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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/04/16/how-i-write-female-characters/#comment-10477</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 05:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks a lot...i&#039;ve been wondering for months how to get inside the head of a woman but i&#039;ve just realised how sexist i was being.  in my book the woman is a villain...so i will write her like a villain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks a lot&#8230;i&#8217;ve been wondering for months how to get inside the head of a woman but i&#8217;ve just realised how sexist i was being.  in my book the woman is a villain&#8230;so i will write her like a villain.</p>
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		<title>By: Yasiru</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/04/16/how-i-write-female-characters/#comment-9405</link>
		<dc:creator>Yasiru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good point and very definitely worth making. People first, attributes, even ones as intrinsic as gender, second.
However, I do contest the claim about Robert Jordan&#039;s female characters being interchangeable as well as any vices in his clear separation of male and female. The circumstances of the series, specifically the &#039;Breaking&#039; provide reason enough for more cohesion among women as well as their claims to greater power, however unjust their attitude towards men. The situation may well have been reversed or related to an attribute other than gender (though gender is a particularly strong one, and a prominent one in science fiction since Frank Herbert&#039;s Dune), resulting perhaps in the same sort of cohesion in whoever did not blunder. So really, the difference only emphasises that &#039;sameness&#039;. But this is not to say a whole group of people are colourless and bland, female characters do see development, albeit more slowly than their male counterparts and while strong changes in their uniform characteristics are resisted, they do creep through now and then. In light of this context then, his female characters are actually quite good, as people foremost.

For these reasons I think Robert Jordan&#039;s Wheel of Time series is more counterexample or nuance to the view advocated in your post, so that we may appreciate that sometimes circumstances can determine characters more strongly than an unbiased portrayal demands they be determined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good point and very definitely worth making. People first, attributes, even ones as intrinsic as gender, second.<br />
However, I do contest the claim about Robert Jordan&#8217;s female characters being interchangeable as well as any vices in his clear separation of male and female. The circumstances of the series, specifically the &#8216;Breaking&#8217; provide reason enough for more cohesion among women as well as their claims to greater power, however unjust their attitude towards men. The situation may well have been reversed or related to an attribute other than gender (though gender is a particularly strong one, and a prominent one in science fiction since Frank Herbert&#8217;s Dune), resulting perhaps in the same sort of cohesion in whoever did not blunder. So really, the difference only emphasises that &#8216;sameness&#8217;. But this is not to say a whole group of people are colourless and bland, female characters do see development, albeit more slowly than their male counterparts and while strong changes in their uniform characteristics are resisted, they do creep through now and then. In light of this context then, his female characters are actually quite good, as people foremost.</p>
<p>For these reasons I think Robert Jordan&#8217;s Wheel of Time series is more counterexample or nuance to the view advocated in your post, so that we may appreciate that sometimes circumstances can determine characters more strongly than an unbiased portrayal demands they be determined.</p>
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		<title>By: The value of the Bechdel Test at SF Novelists</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/04/16/how-i-write-female-characters/#comment-7046</link>
		<dc:creator>The value of the Bechdel Test at SF Novelists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] never talk about men; it&#8217;s that they should have other things they talk about too. (Remember, women are people.) Too many female characters in this kind of story are defined by their relationships to men: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] never talk about men; it&#8217;s that they should have other things they talk about too. (Remember, women are people.) Too many female characters in this kind of story are defined by their relationships to men: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A matter of leverage at SF Novelists</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/04/16/how-i-write-female-characters/#comment-6603</link>
		<dc:creator>A matter of leverage at SF Novelists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been thinking a lot about characterization lately. Partly this is because the protagonist of my current work in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Writing women (links) &#124; Let's Fold Scarves</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/04/16/how-i-write-female-characters/#comment-6518</link>
		<dc:creator>Writing women (links) &#124; Let's Fold Scarves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some great stuff from Marie Brennan, We’re people. We’re individuals. We’re not Women, and we’re not types, either — the Cold [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some great stuff from Marie Brennan, We’re people. We’re individuals. We’re not Women, and we’re not types, either — the Cold [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2009/04/16/how-i-write-female-characters/#comment-6433</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I&#039;ve always wanted to say about this topic? 

&quot;I think of a woman, and then I take away reason and accountability.&quot;

Heh, but seriously now, people are people. Just that some have some different concerns than other ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I&#8217;ve always wanted to say about this topic? </p>
<p>&#8220;I think of a woman, and then I take away reason and accountability.&#8221;</p>
<p>Heh, but seriously now, people are people. Just that some have some different concerns than other ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But again, when I came to approach that section I immediately realised, while typing, that I didn’t need to address it at all - because her character as I’d established it was such that she wouldn’t dwell on it, and certainly wouldn’t write about it.&lt;/i&gt;

Wellllll, that one&#039;s complicated.  First of all, the way rape gets used for female characters is really problematic -- this is off-topic, so I won&#039;t go into detail here, but it starts with the fact that male characters can have all kinds of trauma, but women in fiction are extremely likely (relatively speaking) to be rape victims.

More to the point of characterization -- even if she doesn&#039;t dwell on it or talk about it, that experience will still shape her behavior in lots of unspoken ways.  If it doesn&#039;t, then that&#039;s one of the other problems with rape in fiction, which is that the consequences don&#039;t get represented accurately.

I haven&#039;t read the story, obviously, so I have no idea how you handled it.  But if I can temporarily interrupt my own thread for a PSA: if you&#039;re going to put that trope into a story, please please *please* do your research.  Talk to rape counselors, find out how different kinds of people react, make sure you do justice to the crime (as it were).

(Sorry if that came off as lecturing, Scott -- I don&#039;t mean it to be.  More taking the chance to say these things so anybody else reading the thread can think about them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But again, when I came to approach that section I immediately realised, while typing, that I didn’t need to address it at all &#8211; because her character as I’d established it was such that she wouldn’t dwell on it, and certainly wouldn’t write about it.</i></p>
<p>Wellllll, that one&#8217;s complicated.  First of all, the way rape gets used for female characters is really problematic &#8212; this is off-topic, so I won&#8217;t go into detail here, but it starts with the fact that male characters can have all kinds of trauma, but women in fiction are extremely likely (relatively speaking) to be rape victims.</p>
<p>More to the point of characterization &#8212; even if she doesn&#8217;t dwell on it or talk about it, that experience will still shape her behavior in lots of unspoken ways.  If it doesn&#8217;t, then that&#8217;s one of the other problems with rape in fiction, which is that the consequences don&#8217;t get represented accurately.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read the story, obviously, so I have no idea how you handled it.  But if I can temporarily interrupt my own thread for a PSA: if you&#8217;re going to put that trope into a story, please please *please* do your research.  Talk to rape counselors, find out how different kinds of people react, make sure you do justice to the crime (as it were).</p>
<p>(Sorry if that came off as lecturing, Scott &#8212; I don&#8217;t mean it to be.  More taking the chance to say these things so anybody else reading the thread can think about them.)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabulous post, and I agree 100%. My second novel is half narrated by a female character and I was a bit wary at first, unsure if I could pull it off. But the moment I sat down to write in her voice I found that there was nothing to worry about. She was a person who had her own fears, backstory, objectives and so forth, but when it came to writing her chapters the only major difference I found was the way the male characters reacted to her.

The only area I shied away from was writing her reactions to a rape she suffered in a previous book. I agonised about how to approach it. I felt that anything I tried to write would feel false and glib. But again, when I came to approach that section I immediately realised, while typing, that I didn&#039;t need to address it at all - because her character as I&#039;d established it was such that she wouldn&#039;t dwell on it, and certainly wouldn&#039;t write about it. So I&#039;d unwittingly let myself off the hook, kind off.

But that aside, it seems to me that person first, role second, gender third is exactly the way to approach writing a character of opposite gender to yourself, be you male or female.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabulous post, and I agree 100%. My second novel is half narrated by a female character and I was a bit wary at first, unsure if I could pull it off. But the moment I sat down to write in her voice I found that there was nothing to worry about. She was a person who had her own fears, backstory, objectives and so forth, but when it came to writing her chapters the only major difference I found was the way the male characters reacted to her.</p>
<p>The only area I shied away from was writing her reactions to a rape she suffered in a previous book. I agonised about how to approach it. I felt that anything I tried to write would feel false and glib. But again, when I came to approach that section I immediately realised, while typing, that I didn&#8217;t need to address it at all &#8211; because her character as I&#8217;d established it was such that she wouldn&#8217;t dwell on it, and certainly wouldn&#8217;t write about it. So I&#8217;d unwittingly let myself off the hook, kind off.</p>
<p>But that aside, it seems to me that person first, role second, gender third is exactly the way to approach writing a character of opposite gender to yourself, be you male or female.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 09:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great post, Marie. And what a relief. 

I&#039;ve just finished a novella with a femal protagonist and didn&#039;t actively set out to write &#039;a woman&#039;. I hope, instead, to have created an interesting character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great post, Marie. And what a relief. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just finished a novella with a femal protagonist and didn&#8217;t actively set out to write &#8216;a woman&#8217;. I hope, instead, to have created an interesting character.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

I hear you, but I stand by my original point.  Number of capillaries isn&#039;t likely to affect characterization, and I have yet to hear of a behavioral difference that isn&#039;t complicated by a bunch of exceptions and caveats, to the point where I&#039;m dubious of the value of using it as a starting point.  If you approach it as a matter of &quot;here&#039;s the average, and here&#039;s how my character deviates from it,&quot; that strikes me as likely to produce the kind of characterization that bothers me: female characters treated *as* deviations from the norm.  &quot;Oh, she&#039;s tough and aggressive &lt;i&gt;for a woman&lt;/i&gt;,&quot; or (to flip it around) &quot;he&#039;s awfully caring and nice, &lt;i&gt;for a man&lt;/i&gt;,&quot; or something else in that vein.

I honestly believe that writers who start off by thinking about how the character was raised, and in what kind of society, will generally get better results than the ones who start with a notion of biological absolutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>I hear you, but I stand by my original point.  Number of capillaries isn&#8217;t likely to affect characterization, and I have yet to hear of a behavioral difference that isn&#8217;t complicated by a bunch of exceptions and caveats, to the point where I&#8217;m dubious of the value of using it as a starting point.  If you approach it as a matter of &#8220;here&#8217;s the average, and here&#8217;s how my character deviates from it,&#8221; that strikes me as likely to produce the kind of characterization that bothers me: female characters treated *as* deviations from the norm.  &#8220;Oh, she&#8217;s tough and aggressive <i>for a woman</i>,&#8221; or (to flip it around) &#8220;he&#8217;s awfully caring and nice, <i>for a man</i>,&#8221; or something else in that vein.</p>
<p>I honestly believe that writers who start off by thinking about how the character was raised, and in what kind of society, will generally get better results than the ones who start with a notion of biological absolutes.</p>
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