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		<title>By: Patrick L Hines</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-8044</link>
		<author>Patrick L Hines</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sorry but I have invented characters in my book that I am writing just to kill them off, it enables me to add humour, also for other characters to grow. To be honest I like killing off characters. I do maintain one should keep a main character alive to grab imaginations and emotions though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but I have invented characters in my book that I am writing just to kill them off, it enables me to add humour, also for other characters to grow. To be honest I like killing off characters. I do maintain one should keep a main character alive to grab imaginations and emotions though.</p>
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		<title>By: Cygnus</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-6793</link>
		<author>Cygnus</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-6793</guid>
		<description>While I'm ok with the process of eliminating one(or more!) characters in order to give a plot the metaphorical kick in the rear, one thing taht really pisses me off and turns me off of a series or book is when they do it periodically, jsut to draw attention for the "Drama" factor. 

Several TV shows i've not liked have done this..."Whoops, ratings are dropping again! Who do we kill now? *rubs hands together in glee...*". Yeah, i HATE it when that happens. I guess that old saying, too much of anything can kill you applies here as much as anywhere else.  Just make sure you dont overdo it with your killing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m ok with the process of eliminating one(or more!) characters in order to give a plot the metaphorical kick in the rear, one thing taht really pisses me off and turns me off of a series or book is when they do it periodically, jsut to draw attention for the &#8220;Drama&#8221; factor. </p>
<p>Several TV shows i&#8217;ve not liked have done this&#8230;&#8221;Whoops, ratings are dropping again! Who do we kill now? *rubs hands together in glee&#8230;*&#8221;. Yeah, i HATE it when that happens. I guess that old saying, too much of anything can kill you applies here as much as anywhere else.  Just make sure you dont overdo it with your killing.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Coe</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4196</link>
		<author>David B. Coe</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4196</guid>
		<description>Absolutely, Rhett.  That's the risk that we writers take when we kill off characters, and even with my efforts to make every character at least SEEM threatened, I'm aware that with each book I enter into a compact of a sort with my readers.  They'll let me get away with doing certain things to my characters and killing off some who are beloved.  But on some level we all know that there are some characters who just. Can. Not. Be. Killed.  Cross that line, and we've got a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, Rhett.  That&#8217;s the risk that we writers take when we kill off characters, and even with my efforts to make every character at least SEEM threatened, I&#8217;m aware that with each book I enter into a compact of a sort with my readers.  They&#8217;ll let me get away with doing certain things to my characters and killing off some who are beloved.  But on some level we all know that there are some characters who just. Can. Not. Be. Killed.  Cross that line, and we&#8217;ve got a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhett Hudson</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4193</link>
		<author>Rhett Hudson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4193</guid>
		<description>In almost every case, I like this philosophy of character management. In fact, its one of the things that I like about certain authors. George R. R. Martin is another author who is ruthless with his characters. But, I did reach a point in his books where he could have lost me. There is a point, in the third book I think, where a chapter ends and it appears that he may have killed off my favorite character. I had to flip forward in the book to make sure it wasn't so. I swear I would have stopped reading right there if that character was dead. Now the body count in the rest of the series is high. Including characters that I cared about deeply. That's part of what makes that series great. But, for me at least, I did find that there was that line. If he'd crossed it, he would have lost me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In almost every case, I like this philosophy of character management. In fact, its one of the things that I like about certain authors. George R. R. Martin is another author who is ruthless with his characters. But, I did reach a point in his books where he could have lost me. There is a point, in the third book I think, where a chapter ends and it appears that he may have killed off my favorite character. I had to flip forward in the book to make sure it wasn&#8217;t so. I swear I would have stopped reading right there if that character was dead. Now the body count in the rest of the series is high. Including characters that I cared about deeply. That&#8217;s part of what makes that series great. But, for me at least, I did find that there was that line. If he&#8217;d crossed it, he would have lost me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jana Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4036</link>
		<author>Jana Oliver</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4036</guid>
		<description>I agonize over killing characters. I cry when I do. Now I'm pretty thick skinned in real life, but when I off a character, I lose it. The current book required one particular character to die. I did not want to kill her. I liked her a lot and she was a love interest for someone who so desperately needed someone in their life. But I had to kill her. It wouldn't have worked otherwise. I wept. No doubt the readers will as well.

Instead of killing off a character, I prefer to put them through H*ll, killing some aspect of their personality, their beliefs, a principle they revere. Then I examine how that "death" affects them, how they feel as a person, their future decisions. I often find that more fulfilling than upping the body count. It just depends on the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agonize over killing characters. I cry when I do. Now I&#8217;m pretty thick skinned in real life, but when I off a character, I lose it. The current book required one particular character to die. I did not want to kill her. I liked her a lot and she was a love interest for someone who so desperately needed someone in their life. But I had to kill her. It wouldn&#8217;t have worked otherwise. I wept. No doubt the readers will as well.</p>
<p>Instead of killing off a character, I prefer to put them through H*ll, killing some aspect of their personality, their beliefs, a principle they revere. Then I examine how that &#8220;death&#8221; affects them, how they feel as a person, their future decisions. I often find that more fulfilling than upping the body count. It just depends on the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Bright Meadow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sunday Roast: I am just a bit undone</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4022</link>
		<author>Bright Meadow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sunday Roast: I am just a bit undone</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4022</guid>
		<description>[...] lacks the balls and skill to continue the story without this pivot. So it pleases me to find authors willing to kill main characters off. (I am also reminded of the very start of Buffy the Vampire Slayer [tv], where one of the main [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] lacks the balls and skill to continue the story without this pivot. So it pleases me to find authors willing to kill main characters off. (I am also reminded of the very start of Buffy the Vampire Slayer [tv], where one of the main [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Coe</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4005</link>
		<author>David B. Coe</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4005</guid>
		<description>Glad you found the post helpful!  Sometimes we as writers need to shake things up, to move our characters (and thus ourselves) out of the comfort zone.  Hope the changes work out well for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you found the post helpful!  Sometimes we as writers need to shake things up, to move our characters (and thus ourselves) out of the comfort zone.  Hope the changes work out well for you.</p>
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		<title>By: cedunkley</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4004</link>
		<author>cedunkley</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realized that I do indeed kill off someone in the first chapter of my current WIP.  This death wasn't there in the original writing of this opening scene but something that I felt I needed to add after I had written a bit of the first draft.

The death is there for a purpose and something that comes out of it becomes central to one of the main sub plots.  There has been one thing bothering me about it though and that it who gets killed.  The person is meaningless in the greater scheme of things.

So, it just hit me that I need to change who gets killed and make that person important to my POV character who witnesses this.

And I also realized that I needed to make one of my more important characters an actual POV character.  I took a look and discovered that none of my POV characters are set to die in my WIP and by adding this character, whose death is really the turning point in the lives of all my POV characters, as a POV character I think it will add to the book - and let the reader know not to think that just because a character is a POV character they are somehow "safe".

So, thanks for this post.  It has helped me identify a couple of things that have been nagging my about my WIP, which naturally leads to solutions to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realized that I do indeed kill off someone in the first chapter of my current WIP.  This death wasn&#8217;t there in the original writing of this opening scene but something that I felt I needed to add after I had written a bit of the first draft.</p>
<p>The death is there for a purpose and something that comes out of it becomes central to one of the main sub plots.  There has been one thing bothering me about it though and that it who gets killed.  The person is meaningless in the greater scheme of things.</p>
<p>So, it just hit me that I need to change who gets killed and make that person important to my POV character who witnesses this.</p>
<p>And I also realized that I needed to make one of my more important characters an actual POV character.  I took a look and discovered that none of my POV characters are set to die in my WIP and by adding this character, whose death is really the turning point in the lives of all my POV characters, as a POV character I think it will add to the book - and let the reader know not to think that just because a character is a POV character they are somehow &#8220;safe&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, thanks for this post.  It has helped me identify a couple of things that have been nagging my about my WIP, which naturally leads to solutions to them.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Coe</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4000</link>
		<author>David B. Coe</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-4000</guid>
		<description>Yeah, sorry about that one, Mark.  But that character simply had to go.

I'm not a big fan of "soap opera" deaths (though I LOVE the terminology -- I'd never heard that one before).  To me they always seem contrived.  Now that's not to say that you can't occasionally give a head fake toward a character's death (to mix metaphors).  For instance, I see nothing wrong with ending a scene or chapter in such a way that it makes it seem a character's death is inevitable, and then returning to that character later to discover that he/she escaped.  But once you show the body, as it were, I have a hard time with bringing that person back.  Am I making that distinction clear enough?  There's one series that I like very much but stopped reading because the lead character kept dying only to be brought back by a strange twist of the "rules" of the universe in which the books were set.  It just got annoying after a while -- it seemed like there were no consequences for this character, no real risks to the person's life.  For me, that's not fun or compelling.

One of the reasons I apologized in an earlier comment in this thread for the glib tone of my post, is that killing off a character is something I do with purpose.  I never do it lightly.  And I think the "soap opera" phenomenon cheapens the death of a character, which I don't think should ever happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, sorry about that one, Mark.  But that character simply had to go.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a big fan of &#8220;soap opera&#8221; deaths (though I LOVE the terminology &#8212; I&#8217;d never heard that one before).  To me they always seem contrived.  Now that&#8217;s not to say that you can&#8217;t occasionally give a head fake toward a character&#8217;s death (to mix metaphors).  For instance, I see nothing wrong with ending a scene or chapter in such a way that it makes it seem a character&#8217;s death is inevitable, and then returning to that character later to discover that he/she escaped.  But once you show the body, as it were, I have a hard time with bringing that person back.  Am I making that distinction clear enough?  There&#8217;s one series that I like very much but stopped reading because the lead character kept dying only to be brought back by a strange twist of the &#8220;rules&#8221; of the universe in which the books were set.  It just got annoying after a while &#8212; it seemed like there were no consequences for this character, no real risks to the person&#8217;s life.  For me, that&#8217;s not fun or compelling.</p>
<p>One of the reasons I apologized in an earlier comment in this thread for the glib tone of my post, is that killing off a character is something I do with purpose.  I never do it lightly.  And I think the &#8220;soap opera&#8221; phenomenon cheapens the death of a character, which I don&#8217;t think should ever happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wise</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/11/13/killing-off-a-character/#comment-3995</link>
		<author>Mark Wise</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you know the character who I can't forgive you for killing off, but as you said, I read the rest of the series anyways. *grin* 

What is your opinion on the "Soap Opera" deaths? You know, those are the ones where you kill off a character only to have them return at a key moment in the story due to a confusing twist of events. Is there any way to do those right or should people just chuck it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you know the character who I can&#8217;t forgive you for killing off, but as you said, I read the rest of the series anyways. *grin* </p>
<p>What is your opinion on the &#8220;Soap Opera&#8221; deaths? You know, those are the ones where you kill off a character only to have them return at a key moment in the story due to a confusing twist of events. Is there any way to do those right or should people just chuck it?</p>
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