Comments on: Blood, love, and rhetoric http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/ A mutual support group for SF/F Novelists Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:27:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Alexandra Morris http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/#comment-3831 Alexandra Morris Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:16:40 +0000 http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/#comment-3831 That's quite an useful concept, thanks for sharing - I'm of the same mind regarding not enough 'blood' in that kind of literary fiction. My own personal story triad is world-character-plot. To my own mind, these are inextricably linked, with each influencing the other - the context in which something happens defines what actually can happen, and also tells you something about the people in such a setting, and vice versa, etc. That’s quite an useful concept, thanks for sharing - I’m of the same mind regarding not enough ‘blood’ in that kind of literary fiction.

My own personal story triad is world-character-plot. To my own mind, these are inextricably linked, with each influencing the other - the context in which something happens defines what actually can happen, and also tells you something about the people in such a setting, and vice versa, etc.

]]> By: Marie Brennan http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/#comment-3823 Marie Brennan Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:27:48 +0000 http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/#comment-3823 I want to say hope should be, because man, I hate the misery porn that masquerades as True Literature. But I think it's more philosophically interesting to say humour is compulsory. I want to say hope should be, because man, I hate the misery porn that masquerades as True Literature. But I think it’s more philosophically interesting to say humour is compulsory.

]]> By: Benjamin Carnys http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/#comment-3822 Benjamin Carnys Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:50:39 +0000 http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/#comment-3822 What makes you think Shakespeare was a real person? ;) Humour can orbit anything, I think, so I like your spatial arrangement. But which, if any, is the compulsory factor? What makes you think Shakespeare was a real person? ;)

Humour can orbit anything, I think, so I like your spatial arrangement. But which, if any, is the compulsory factor?

]]> By: Marie Brennan http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/#comment-3821 Marie Brennan Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:31:46 +0000 http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/#comment-3821 Well, it <i>is</i> fanfic, depending on your definition. And I like making people's heads explode by calling it that. :-) (He's even written real-person fanfic, with <i>Shakespeare in Love</i>. But all historical fiction involving real people is a kind of fanfic.) Tragedy, humour, and hope are an interesting trio. My brain wants to plot those spatially; it's putting tragedy and hope on one axis, with humour haring off to the side somewhere. Which is probably appropriate. Well, it is fanfic, depending on your definition. And I like making people’s heads explode by calling it that. :-)

(He’s even written real-person fanfic, with Shakespeare in Love. But all historical fiction involving real people is a kind of fanfic.)

Tragedy, humour, and hope are an interesting trio. My brain wants to plot those spatially; it’s putting tragedy and hope on one axis, with humour haring off to the side somewhere. Which is probably appropriate.

]]> By: Benjamin Carnys http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/#comment-3820 Benjamin Carnys Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:25:10 +0000 http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/10/16/blood-love-and-rhetoric/#comment-3820 I can't answer the challenge to come up with a "triad of story-stuff", and I can't resist this... > These lines, from Tom Stoppard’s brilliant Hamlet <b>fanfic</b> play I, for one, am thankful for the perceptive soul who said to Stoppard, "More absurdism, less Hamlet/Polonius slash." (Ah! I thought of one after all: tragedy, humour and hope, not necessarily in that order. But I like Stoppard's better.) I can’t answer the challenge to come up with a “triad of story-stuff”, and I can’t resist this…

> These lines, from Tom Stoppard’s brilliant Hamlet fanfic play

I, for one, am thankful for the perceptive soul who said to Stoppard, “More absurdism, less Hamlet/Polonius slash.”

(Ah! I thought of one after all: tragedy, humour and hope, not necessarily in that order. But I like Stoppard’s better.)

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