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		<title>By: wizards of the coast</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/08/24/more-thoughts-links-on-genre-bias/#comment-3565</link>
		<dc:creator>wizards of the coast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] learning to share! I came home from Gen Con earlier this week with the realization that I havhttp://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/08/24/more-thoughts-links-on-genre-bias/Dungeons &amp;amp Dragons Insider: The GenCon Demo - Gamespy.comIt&amp;39s perhaps only fair, then, that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] learning to share! I came home from Gen Con earlier this week with the realization that I havhttp://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/08/24/more-thoughts-links-on-genre-bias/Dungeons &#38;amp Dragons Insider: The GenCon Demo &#8211; Gamespy.comIt&#38;39s perhaps only fair, then, that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick&#8217;s Café Canadien &#187; License to Slum: The Novel of the Movie of the Game</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/08/24/more-thoughts-links-on-genre-bias/#comment-3527</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick&#8217;s Café Canadien &#187; License to Slum: The Novel of the Movie of the Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jim C. Hines&#8217; confession of a prejudice against tie-ins that he would rather get over (with a follow-up post at SF Novelists), and Wired Magazine&#8217;s feature story on Star Wars continuity manager Leland Chee. For those [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jim C. Hines&#8217; confession of a prejudice against tie-ins that he would rather get over (with a follow-up post at SF Novelists), and Wired Magazine&#8217;s feature story on Star Wars continuity manager Leland Chee. For those [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alana Abbott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alana Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since tie-in novels and game novels are similar markets in my head (all grouped under &quot;shared-world&quot;), I thought I&#039;d just link to my original response to your gaming fiction blog. :)

http://alanajoli.livejournal.com/88550.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since tie-in novels and game novels are similar markets in my head (all grouped under &#8220;shared-world&#8221;), I thought I&#8217;d just link to my original response to your gaming fiction blog. <img src='http://www.sfnovelists.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://alanajoli.livejournal.com/88550.html" rel="nofollow">http://alanajoli.livejournal.com/88550.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David de Beer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David de Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>most interesting thing about tie-in novels was when I discovered there were some authors I loved and some that put me to sleep in a bad way. Dragonlance, White Wolf, Battletech, etc. Didn&#039;t matter.
Eventually I was reading Weiss&amp;Hickman, not Dragonlance, and reading Michael Stackpole, not Battletech. Liked Stackpole&#039;s Rogue Squadron Star Wars too, and his Shadowrun stuff.
In both those franchises, he&#039;s the only one I genuinely enjoyed reading.

What I&#039;m saying? end of the day it&#039;s still the writer self I was a fan of, and that particular author&#039;s books I bought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>most interesting thing about tie-in novels was when I discovered there were some authors I loved and some that put me to sleep in a bad way. Dragonlance, White Wolf, Battletech, etc. Didn&#8217;t matter.<br />
Eventually I was reading Weiss&amp;Hickman, not Dragonlance, and reading Michael Stackpole, not Battletech. Liked Stackpole&#8217;s Rogue Squadron Star Wars too, and his Shadowrun stuff.<br />
In both those franchises, he&#8217;s the only one I genuinely enjoyed reading.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying? end of the day it&#8217;s still the writer self I was a fan of, and that particular author&#8217;s books I bought.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, on reflection, I should have written &quot;principals,&quot; and not &quot;principles.&quot;

My apologies to all whom this may have affected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, on reflection, I should have written &#8220;principals,&#8221; and not &#8220;principles.&#8221;</p>
<p>My apologies to all whom this may have affected.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg B</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/08/24/more-thoughts-links-on-genre-bias/#comment-3517</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember some time ago picking up a Buffy novel, back when I was into the show. I made it about two chapters in before quitting out of disgust. 

My reason?

After a prologue chapter which introduced the pending threat, we had the Meet the Characters chapter. Except we didn&#039;t. I read through it and realized that if I had never seen the show before, I would  have no idea who these characters were, how they looked or acted, or anything. The author had taken the shorthand of the licensed property to zip arond characterization.

NOW, that said, I also know that these books tend to be tainted with editorial interference. The author may well have written or intended to write a very rich and textured introduction to each of our principles, but been told not to for fear that Alexis Bledsoe&#039;s lawyers may sue over unsecured likeness rights or some other brand of horse crockery. Which leads nicely into the other problem I have with tie-in books, in that they can be severely hampered by editorial contraints.

How many truly great Star Trek novels have we been denied because of a Paramount mandate that Geordi couldn&#039;t ever be shot dead by a Ferengi hooker? 

Sadly, we may never know.

(It is interesting to note that Fan Fic by contrast has no such problem, and in fact Geordi has no doubt been unofficially murdered by alien prostitutes a multitude of times.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember some time ago picking up a Buffy novel, back when I was into the show. I made it about two chapters in before quitting out of disgust. </p>
<p>My reason?</p>
<p>After a prologue chapter which introduced the pending threat, we had the Meet the Characters chapter. Except we didn&#8217;t. I read through it and realized that if I had never seen the show before, I would  have no idea who these characters were, how they looked or acted, or anything. The author had taken the shorthand of the licensed property to zip arond characterization.</p>
<p>NOW, that said, I also know that these books tend to be tainted with editorial interference. The author may well have written or intended to write a very rich and textured introduction to each of our principles, but been told not to for fear that Alexis Bledsoe&#8217;s lawyers may sue over unsecured likeness rights or some other brand of horse crockery. Which leads nicely into the other problem I have with tie-in books, in that they can be severely hampered by editorial contraints.</p>
<p>How many truly great Star Trek novels have we been denied because of a Paramount mandate that Geordi couldn&#8217;t ever be shot dead by a Ferengi hooker? </p>
<p>Sadly, we may never know.</p>
<p>(It is interesting to note that Fan Fic by contrast has no such problem, and in fact Geordi has no doubt been unofficially murdered by alien prostitutes a multitude of times.)</p>
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		<title>By: David Keck</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Keck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I probably go along with Kelly at #6, myself.  But I want to resist my natural (sometimes self-inflicted) snobbery.  

I am a writer with a day job and I&#039;d love the chance to throw myself into the business full time.  While I haven&#039;t done much knocking upon the tie-in door, there are probably less all-consuming day jobs -- and there are few that give you a chance at real creativity.

Of course, the potential of tie-in writing as a day job must depend on the writer&#039;s work habits.  (I&#039;d probably end up bogging down on developing the gloomy underpinnings of Papa Smurf&#039;s resentment of Smurfette, or what have you).

As for reading them, it&#039;s been a while.  After a while, I only wanted to know what the creator had to say about the creation -- autograph work by the auteur.

~Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I probably go along with Kelly at #6, myself.  But I want to resist my natural (sometimes self-inflicted) snobbery.  </p>
<p>I am a writer with a day job and I&#8217;d love the chance to throw myself into the business full time.  While I haven&#8217;t done much knocking upon the tie-in door, there are probably less all-consuming day jobs &#8212; and there are few that give you a chance at real creativity.</p>
<p>Of course, the potential of tie-in writing as a day job must depend on the writer&#8217;s work habits.  (I&#8217;d probably end up bogging down on developing the gloomy underpinnings of Papa Smurf&#8217;s resentment of Smurfette, or what have you).</p>
<p>As for reading them, it&#8217;s been a while.  After a while, I only wanted to know what the creator had to say about the creation &#8212; autograph work by the auteur.</p>
<p>~Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Fantasy Magazine &#187; Literature News: Top 10 Obscure Works, Mythopoeic Winners, SF History</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fantasy Magazine &#187; Literature News: Top 10 Obscure Works, Mythopoeic Winners, SF History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kelly McCullough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not really a tie-in reader, not because of any real thoughts on the quality of the writing or story, but rather because one of the main reasons I read f&amp;sf is that I want to go to new places and meet new characters and kinds of people, and tie-ins tie me to one universe in a way I&#039;m not all that interested in being tied down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really a tie-in reader, not because of any real thoughts on the quality of the writing or story, but rather because one of the main reasons I read f&amp;sf is that I want to go to new places and meet new characters and kinds of people, and tie-ins tie me to one universe in a way I&#8217;m not all that interested in being tied down.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Heine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Heine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Tom put it best: it&#039;s a crapshoot.  The only thing all the tie-ins have in common is the setting and (in many cases) the characters, but that doesn&#039;t guarantee anything about the story or the writing.  It doesn&#039;t guarantee it&#039;ll be &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt;.

I&#039;ve only read tie-ins by authors that were recommended to me.  Without a third party recommendation, tie-ins don&#039;t provide me with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/08/21/my-newest-jacket-art/#comment-3500&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;means I normally use&lt;/a&gt; to determine if I&#039;ll like the book.  The cover art and back covers give me mostly information that I already know, or that I expect to be there.

On the other hand, I had a dream just last night that a publisher asked me to write a Star Wars novel for them.  I&#039;ve rarely been so sad to wake up.  I guess that says something too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Tom put it best: it&#8217;s a crapshoot.  The only thing all the tie-ins have in common is the setting and (in many cases) the characters, but that doesn&#8217;t guarantee anything about the story or the writing.  It doesn&#8217;t guarantee it&#8217;ll be <i>good</i>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only read tie-ins by authors that were recommended to me.  Without a third party recommendation, tie-ins don&#8217;t provide me with the <a href="http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/08/21/my-newest-jacket-art/#comment-3500" rel="nofollow">means I normally use</a> to determine if I&#8217;ll like the book.  The cover art and back covers give me mostly information that I already know, or that I expect to be there.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I had a dream just last night that a publisher asked me to write a Star Wars novel for them.  I&#8217;ve rarely been so sad to wake up.  I guess that says something too.</p>
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