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	<title>Comments on: Show, Don&#8217;t Tell: The Great Debate</title>
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		<title>By: Soni</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/02/26/show-dont-tell-the-great-debate/#comment-2080</link>
		<author>Soni</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, I love the meat story. One of the best examples of all-dialog writing. I think, though, rather than being particularly unusual, it's actually a version of the epistolary form of writing. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, I love the meat story. One of the best examples of all-dialog writing. I think, though, rather than being particularly unusual, it&#8217;s actually a version of the epistolary form of writing. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Brennan</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/02/26/show-dont-tell-the-great-debate/#comment-2079</link>
		<author>Marie Brennan</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;one can’t show the whole story just like one can’t do it all in dialogue.&lt;/i&gt;

I'm using Terry Bissom's "They're Made of Meat" as a teaching story for dialogue next week. &#60;g&#62;  All dialogue, all the time -- it doesn't even have attribution for the speakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>one can’t show the whole story just like one can’t do it all in dialogue.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m using Terry Bissom&#8217;s &#8220;They&#8217;re Made of Meat&#8221; as a teaching story for dialogue next week. &lt;g&gt;  All dialogue, all the time &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t even have attribution for the speakers.</p>
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		<title>By: cyn</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/02/26/show-dont-tell-the-great-debate/#comment-2078</link>
		<author>cyn</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said. one can't show the whole story just like one can't do it all in dialogue. (okay, some bestseller will prove me wrong, but generally speaking...)

and i do still like my "ly" words once in a while.
and sometimes i'll even fall slightly out of
3rd close pov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said. one can&#8217;t show the whole story just like one can&#8217;t do it all in dialogue. (okay, some bestseller will prove me wrong, but generally speaking&#8230;)</p>
<p>and i do still like my &#8220;ly&#8221; words once in a while.<br />
and sometimes i&#8217;ll even fall slightly out of<br />
3rd close pov.</p>
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		<title>By: James Alan Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/02/26/show-dont-tell-the-great-debate/#comment-2077</link>
		<author>James Alan Gardner</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With beginners, I think it's useful to go over a few passages of interesting prose and actually look at what's there.  How much is showing, how much telling?  How many adverbs are there?  How does the POV manifest itself and what are the pros/cons?

New writers should get into the habit of really really really looking at how prose goes together...and of course, they should look at the work of many different writers to see the range of possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With beginners, I think it&#8217;s useful to go over a few passages of interesting prose and actually look at what&#8217;s there.  How much is showing, how much telling?  How many adverbs are there?  How does the POV manifest itself and what are the pros/cons?</p>
<p>New writers should get into the habit of really really really looking at how prose goes together&#8230;and of course, they should look at the work of many different writers to see the range of possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Brennan</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2008/02/26/show-dont-tell-the-great-debate/#comment-2076</link>
		<author>Marie Brennan</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  I've been drilling this very rule into my students' heads.

I actually think this is a good rule to present as if it's infallible when somebody's getting started, because you really need to get it through their heads, and beginning writers are often confused by "do this, except you can also do this, but only when thus-and-such, and really it's all subjective and we do it by instinct."  Rules are easier to hold onto and learn from.  But that's when I'm teaching the concepts; in actual critique, I tailor what I say to what the story needs, and therefore also to how well the writer is deploying (or not deploying) the rule.

As for the above-thread comment about adverbs and POV -- heh.  I already blew up the adverb one in the first week of class, saying you shouldn't be using them as crutches, but I have no patience with those who would drum them out of our parts of speech entirely.  And the iron-hard POV rule I told them was, "don't lose your reader."  If you can float indiscriminately from head to head in such a fashion as to bring your reader along without a hitch, and that's what your story needs, then go for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  I&#8217;ve been drilling this very rule into my students&#8217; heads.</p>
<p>I actually think this is a good rule to present as if it&#8217;s infallible when somebody&#8217;s getting started, because you really need to get it through their heads, and beginning writers are often confused by &#8220;do this, except you can also do this, but only when thus-and-such, and really it&#8217;s all subjective and we do it by instinct.&#8221;  Rules are easier to hold onto and learn from.  But that&#8217;s when I&#8217;m teaching the concepts; in actual critique, I tailor what I say to what the story needs, and therefore also to how well the writer is deploying (or not deploying) the rule.</p>
<p>As for the above-thread comment about adverbs and POV &#8212; heh.  I already blew up the adverb one in the first week of class, saying you shouldn&#8217;t be using them as crutches, but I have no patience with those who would drum them out of our parts of speech entirely.  And the iron-hard POV rule I told them was, &#8220;don&#8217;t lose your reader.&#8221;  If you can float indiscriminately from head to head in such a fashion as to bring your reader along without a hitch, and that&#8217;s what your story needs, then go for it!</p>
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		<title>By: S.C. Butler</title>
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		<author>S.C. Butler</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last!  Someone willing to decry the Sacred Rules of writing!  Can we take on the adverb and POV police next?

I once had a critter tell me that I'd never see my third-person omniscient stories in print.  The fact is, different techniques work for different kinds of stories, and you should never refuse to look at any of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last!  Someone willing to decry the Sacred Rules of writing!  Can we take on the adverb and POV police next?</p>
<p>I once had a critter tell me that I&#8217;d never see my third-person omniscient stories in print.  The fact is, different techniques work for different kinds of stories, and you should never refuse to look at any of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<author>Sandra</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points, especially balancing what the POV character would say/think vs not losing your reader.

I'm still battling the show vs tell bug, but on a more basic level. My tendency is to put a paragraph of 'tell' extrapolation to cover the boring but necessary bits to get from point A to point B in a scene or between scenes. My crit reader was less than happy w/ me for that so now I'm going back in to figure out how to make those links w/o gratuitous telling.

Is it an obvious trick in SF to plop a stranger into the world/universe so that the reader has someone to relate to (and someone who can translate the oddities of this new world for them?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points, especially balancing what the POV character would say/think vs not losing your reader.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still battling the show vs tell bug, but on a more basic level. My tendency is to put a paragraph of &#8216;tell&#8217; extrapolation to cover the boring but necessary bits to get from point A to point B in a scene or between scenes. My crit reader was less than happy w/ me for that so now I&#8217;m going back in to figure out how to make those links w/o gratuitous telling.</p>
<p>Is it an obvious trick in SF to plop a stranger into the world/universe so that the reader has someone to relate to (and someone who can translate the oddities of this new world for them?)</p>
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