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		<title>By: Marie Brennan</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1311</link>
		<author>Marie Brennan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricky -- that's why the Internet is changing the playing field this strike around.  The WGA last struck in 1988, when there was no comparable way for writers to get their side of the story out there; the public pretty much had to learn the details from newspapers, TV shows, etc, which -- as you point out -- don't exactly have a vested interest in speaking against the conglomerates.  But sites like United Hollywood give writers a way to bypass that system.

Does it reach everybody?  Of course not.  But it's a sight better than what they had before.  The percentages vary based on who exactly's being polled, of course, but I have yet to see a single poll on the matter that isn't favorable to the writers' side of the cause.  Usually it's something like 61% in favor of the writers, 35% not sure or pissed at both sides, and 4% in favor of the AMPTP.

Of course, it would be a lot better if traditional media were being less biased in its reporting.  But any rant I might deliver on the state of traditional media should wait for another post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricky &#8212; that&#8217;s why the Internet is changing the playing field this strike around.  The WGA last struck in 1988, when there was no comparable way for writers to get their side of the story out there; the public pretty much had to learn the details from newspapers, TV shows, etc, which &#8212; as you point out &#8212; don&#8217;t exactly have a vested interest in speaking against the conglomerates.  But sites like United Hollywood give writers a way to bypass that system.</p>
<p>Does it reach everybody?  Of course not.  But it&#8217;s a sight better than what they had before.  The percentages vary based on who exactly&#8217;s being polled, of course, but I have yet to see a single poll on the matter that isn&#8217;t favorable to the writers&#8217; side of the cause.  Usually it&#8217;s something like 61% in favor of the writers, 35% not sure or pissed at both sides, and 4% in favor of the AMPTP.</p>
<p>Of course, it would be a lot better if traditional media were being less biased in its reporting.  But any rant I might deliver on the state of traditional media should wait for another post.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky H</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1307</link>
		<author>Ricky H</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1307</guid>
		<description>I'm not a writer, but I do have an appreciation for the craft (mostly due to struggling to learn it). That said, I think the derogatory comments heard about the strike have a simpler cause. Money.

If the people reporting on the strike wanted to generate compassion for the WGA then it they would. Instead, they frame it as if the writers are greedy and lazy so thats the impression the public gets stuck in their heads. The media companies want more profits (which is natural) so its no surprise that they help each other by framing the problem in a way that makes them look the best. There's not a financial reason for one of the "news" shows to depict the WGA strike in favorable terms. Big corps don't help unions as a general rule, even if those unions are in a different industry.

As a test, while visiting my family over the weekend, I asked them about the strike. Did they know what the writers wanted? No one knew the whole story. Some knew their was an increase in the royalties for DVDs involved (but not how much). Some knew about alternate forms of media and its impact. All of their reactions were either ambivalent or negative. Explain it to them in a way they understand and they would be supportive. They already understand the concept of companies screwing over their workers. What they are missing and there's little incentive to give them is the human connection between the writers and themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a writer, but I do have an appreciation for the craft (mostly due to struggling to learn it). That said, I think the derogatory comments heard about the strike have a simpler cause. Money.</p>
<p>If the people reporting on the strike wanted to generate compassion for the WGA then it they would. Instead, they frame it as if the writers are greedy and lazy so thats the impression the public gets stuck in their heads. The media companies want more profits (which is natural) so its no surprise that they help each other by framing the problem in a way that makes them look the best. There&#8217;s not a financial reason for one of the &#8220;news&#8221; shows to depict the WGA strike in favorable terms. Big corps don&#8217;t help unions as a general rule, even if those unions are in a different industry.</p>
<p>As a test, while visiting my family over the weekend, I asked them about the strike. Did they know what the writers wanted? No one knew the whole story. Some knew their was an increase in the royalties for DVDs involved (but not how much). Some knew about alternate forms of media and its impact. All of their reactions were either ambivalent or negative. Explain it to them in a way they understand and they would be supportive. They already understand the concept of companies screwing over their workers. What they are missing and there&#8217;s little incentive to give them is the human connection between the writers and themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1295</link>
		<author>Jim Johnson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1295</guid>
		<description>Karen's sports analogy is right on the mark. Everyone can go to the batting cage and hit the ball. They can even move up to the faster machines and feel good about themselves. But that doesn't mean you can stand in the box with 60,000 people in the stands screaming for you to fail and come through in the clutch. Now let's add Johan Santana on the mound who can blow it past you in the mid-90's, twist you in a circle with a drop off the ledge splitter, or make your knees buckle with a curve ball that seems to defy physics. 

Unfortunately, you still have sports fans who think they can do better than the pros or go into hysterics when someone makes a mistake on an "easy" play so its no wonder people think that writing isn't a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen&#8217;s sports analogy is right on the mark. Everyone can go to the batting cage and hit the ball. They can even move up to the faster machines and feel good about themselves. But that doesn&#8217;t mean you can stand in the box with 60,000 people in the stands screaming for you to fail and come through in the clutch. Now let&#8217;s add Johan Santana on the mound who can blow it past you in the mid-90&#8217;s, twist you in a circle with a drop off the ledge splitter, or make your knees buckle with a curve ball that seems to defy physics. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, you still have sports fans who think they can do better than the pros or go into hysterics when someone makes a mistake on an &#8220;easy&#8221; play so its no wonder people think that writing isn&#8217;t a job.</p>
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		<title>By: Writing as Work &#124; How Not To Write</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1293</link>
		<author>Writing as Work &#124; How Not To Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1293</guid>
		<description>[...] Marie Brennan on why writing and work do not always fall into the same sentence, even if they should... It’s fun. And if you’re an American, your country was founded by Puritans, who knew very well that anything fun was Not Work (except maybe the Work of the Devil). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Marie Brennan on why writing and work do not always fall into the same sentence, even if they should&#8230; It’s fun. And if you’re an American, your country was founded by Puritans, who knew very well that anything fun was Not Work (except maybe the Work of the Devil). [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mari&#8217;s Midnight Garden &#187; writing as work</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1283</link>
		<author>Mari&#8217;s Midnight Garden &#187; writing as work</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1283</guid>
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		<title>By: Marie Brennan</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1271</link>
		<author>Marie Brennan</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  The WGA issue has had me thinking a lot about the value of what we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  The WGA issue has had me thinking a lot about the value of what we do.</p>
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		<title>By: lyda morehouse</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1270</link>
		<author>lyda morehouse</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1270</guid>
		<description>This is awesome.  Thanks for your post.  Writing as work is one of those things I'm very aware of, though your take was much more articulate than anything I've come up with!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awesome.  Thanks for your post.  Writing as work is one of those things I&#8217;m very aware of, though your take was much more articulate than anything I&#8217;ve come up with!</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Brennan</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1254</link>
		<author>Marie Brennan</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1254</guid>
		<description>Karen --

That's exactly the issue I was pondering when I wrote &lt;a href="http://www.swantower.com/marie/essays/philosophy/practice.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;"We All Use Language, But . . . ."&lt;/a&gt; for my own website.  Short form is, since writing doesn't involve any immediately obvious skill-set the average person doesn't already have -- after all, they know how to use a pen and/or keyboard, and are fluent in the English language or other local idiom -- it's easy to underestimate the degree of craft that goes into what we do, and to think, "oh, I could do that."

As far as the slush piles go, I'm not sure that experience produces &lt;i&gt;sympathy&lt;/i&gt;, exactly.  Envy, resentment, confusion, disillusionment, and the occasional bit of appalled understanding, maybe.  But the vanity presses are good proof of how many people, upon being rejected, do not think "wow, now I understand what the successful ones have gone through;" instead, they think "why can't &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; get published like &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; did?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen &#8211;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly the issue I was pondering when I wrote <a href="http://www.swantower.com/marie/essays/philosophy/practice.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;We All Use Language, But . . . .&#8221;</a> for my own website.  Short form is, since writing doesn&#8217;t involve any immediately obvious skill-set the average person doesn&#8217;t already have &#8212; after all, they know how to use a pen and/or keyboard, and are fluent in the English language or other local idiom &#8212; it&#8217;s easy to underestimate the degree of craft that goes into what we do, and to think, &#8220;oh, I could do that.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as the slush piles go, I&#8217;m not sure that experience produces <i>sympathy</i>, exactly.  Envy, resentment, confusion, disillusionment, and the occasional bit of appalled understanding, maybe.  But the vanity presses are good proof of how many people, upon being rejected, do not think &#8220;wow, now I understand what the successful ones have gone through;&#8221; instead, they think &#8220;why can&#8217;t <i>I</i> get published like <i>they</i> did?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Wester Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1252</link>
		<author>Karen Wester Newton</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1252</guid>
		<description>Well, I think it's also because because we all learn to write in school, so everyone thinks they know how to write.  I like to use the sports model.  Anyone who's not physically disabled can play basketball or ice skate or hit a golf ball.  It's &lt;i&gt;how well you do it&lt;/i&gt; that determines whether you can make a living at it.   Most people realize this because they have tried to do sports and realized their own limitations.  But they've never tried to write a book or a TV show or a movie script, so as far as they know, it's easy.

Although with the size of the slush piles at every major house and a lot of small presses, you would think there must be more people out there who are sympathetic to writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think it&#8217;s also because because we all learn to write in school, so everyone thinks they know how to write.  I like to use the sports model.  Anyone who&#8217;s not physically disabled can play basketball or ice skate or hit a golf ball.  It&#8217;s <i>how well you do it</i> that determines whether you can make a living at it.   Most people realize this because they have tried to do sports and realized their own limitations.  But they&#8217;ve never tried to write a book or a TV show or a movie script, so as far as they know, it&#8217;s easy.</p>
<p>Although with the size of the slush piles at every major house and a lot of small presses, you would think there must be more people out there who are sympathetic to writers.</p>
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		<title>By: S.C. Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/12/16/writing-as-work/#comment-1251</link>
		<author>S.C. Butler</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fun?  Who says writing's fun?  If it's so much fun let them do it.  I just like the finished product.

Since I write far less thn 1000 words an hour, I'm not sure I like the payscale much either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun?  Who says writing&#8217;s fun?  If it&#8217;s so much fun let them do it.  I just like the finished product.</p>
<p>Since I write far less thn 1000 words an hour, I&#8217;m not sure I like the payscale much either.</p>
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