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		<title>By: David de Beer</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-942</link>
		<author>David de Beer</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A two-part answer:

1)&#62;think of your top five favorite active writers.

John Irving: Once upon a slow day, a bored bookstore clerk (now ex-bookstore slave, thank God) riffled through his books and found a book called Garp...
online presence - uhm, does he have a website? hell if I know.

 George Martin: By the power of comic book adaptations!
online presence - yeah, I read it and most of it's boring but now and then he talks interesting stuff and I like his football talks.

Charles de Lint: found him in the library.
online presence - I think so, I'm "friends" with him on myspace but I never check to see for blogs, just watch the bulletins, but by now it hardly matters.

ok, that's some of superfaves, but there's a difference between them and:

2) New writers:

John Scalzi - picked up his book because I found his blog and was curious;
Jim Hines -  can't remember, heard about him, found his lj and he makes me laugh, but by then I was already committed to buying Goblin Quest, so am actually not sure. 
Cherie Priest - discovered via online drooling and raving of other people. The drooling of others was far more effective than her online presence, which is cute, and I do like it for the fact that she's not playing to the crowds, but would I have noticed her from blogging? I don't know, but it does keep me up to date with what she's busy with, sold, etc, etc. So, it helps, and for new writers, having access to blogs of people like Jim Hines, Eric Flint  and John Scalzi is gold, because they're very honest about the process and business of publishing. 
And then there's the likes of Jeff Vandermeer, who's blog tends to be contemplative about writing itself, and that's exciting for me as both writer and fan.

So, to answer the question, the important distinction between my groups 1) and 2) is that the latter group were all found online.

&#62;readers (of blogs and books) are smart enough to sense when you’re writing just to be noticed versus actually having something important/interesting/humorous to say.

yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A two-part answer:</p>
<p>1)&gt;think of your top five favorite active writers.</p>
<p>John Irving: Once upon a slow day, a bored bookstore clerk (now ex-bookstore slave, thank God) riffled through his books and found a book called Garp&#8230;<br />
online presence - uhm, does he have a website? hell if I know.</p>
<p> George Martin: By the power of comic book adaptations!<br />
online presence - yeah, I read it and most of it&#8217;s boring but now and then he talks interesting stuff and I like his football talks.</p>
<p>Charles de Lint: found him in the library.<br />
online presence - I think so, I&#8217;m &#8220;friends&#8221; with him on myspace but I never check to see for blogs, just watch the bulletins, but by now it hardly matters.</p>
<p>ok, that&#8217;s some of superfaves, but there&#8217;s a difference between them and:</p>
<p>2) New writers:</p>
<p>John Scalzi - picked up his book because I found his blog and was curious;<br />
Jim Hines -  can&#8217;t remember, heard about him, found his lj and he makes me laugh, but by then I was already committed to buying Goblin Quest, so am actually not sure.<br />
Cherie Priest - discovered via online drooling and raving of other people. The drooling of others was far more effective than her online presence, which is cute, and I do like it for the fact that she&#8217;s not playing to the crowds, but would I have noticed her from blogging? I don&#8217;t know, but it does keep me up to date with what she&#8217;s busy with, sold, etc, etc. So, it helps, and for new writers, having access to blogs of people like Jim Hines, Eric Flint  and John Scalzi is gold, because they&#8217;re very honest about the process and business of publishing.<br />
And then there&#8217;s the likes of Jeff Vandermeer, who&#8217;s blog tends to be contemplative about writing itself, and that&#8217;s exciting for me as both writer and fan.</p>
<p>So, to answer the question, the important distinction between my groups 1) and 2) is that the latter group were all found online.</p>
<p>&gt;readers (of blogs and books) are smart enough to sense when you’re writing just to be noticed versus actually having something important/interesting/humorous to say.</p>
<p>yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Reeve</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-915</link>
		<author>Laura Reeve</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-915</guid>
		<description>I believe authors should have an online presence, such as an informational web site with email contacts.  In 2004, my agent advised me to start a web site and after it was operating, I wrestled with the question about blogging.  I decided I didn't have anything unique to add to the blogosphere, but I kept questioning my decision... 

After reading this entry, however, I went back through my book purchases in the last couple years and realized that I've never bought a *novel* based upon a blog, although I regularly read blogs by authors, agents, and editors.  I try to read between one and three SF/F novels a month and I usually expand my reading list through blurb and first chapter browsing, both online and in bookstores.  I've also recently bought novels based upon the recommendations of friends I trust and, once in a while, based upon exposure in the SF Book Club or Locus.  

Unfortunately, I don't know if I'm an average SF/F reader or book buyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe authors should have an online presence, such as an informational web site with email contacts.  In 2004, my agent advised me to start a web site and after it was operating, I wrestled with the question about blogging.  I decided I didn&#8217;t have anything unique to add to the blogosphere, but I kept questioning my decision&#8230; </p>
<p>After reading this entry, however, I went back through my book purchases in the last couple years and realized that I&#8217;ve never bought a *novel* based upon a blog, although I regularly read blogs by authors, agents, and editors.  I try to read between one and three SF/F novels a month and I usually expand my reading list through blurb and first chapter browsing, both online and in bookstores.  I&#8217;ve also recently bought novels based upon the recommendations of friends I trust and, once in a while, based upon exposure in the SF Book Club or Locus.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m an average SF/F reader or book buyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-898</link>
		<author>Kristine Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-898</guid>
		<description>I do notice how favorite writers behave online. Yes, in one instance I was so repulsed by an award-winning writer's behavior that I swore I'd never willingly read any of their work.

Most of my blogging is pretty mundane. Dogs. Around the house. Lyda, I was following your fish misadventures very closely. I felt so bad for you.

I feel that good blogging, like perfect pitch, is a gift. I think the most successful are blogging extroverts, who think as they write, or for whom writing *is* thinking--it pours out, lucid and funny and touching, all on the first take.

I rewrite and edit. I shouldn't have to do that. It's too much like work, and I do think blogging should be fun. Otherwise, there's no point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do notice how favorite writers behave online. Yes, in one instance I was so repulsed by an award-winning writer&#8217;s behavior that I swore I&#8217;d never willingly read any of their work.</p>
<p>Most of my blogging is pretty mundane. Dogs. Around the house. Lyda, I was following your fish misadventures very closely. I felt so bad for you.</p>
<p>I feel that good blogging, like perfect pitch, is a gift. I think the most successful are blogging extroverts, who think as they write, or for whom writing *is* thinking&#8211;it pours out, lucid and funny and touching, all on the first take.</p>
<p>I rewrite and edit. I shouldn&#8217;t have to do that. It&#8217;s too much like work, and I do think blogging should be fun. Otherwise, there&#8217;s no point.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-894</link>
		<author>Lisa</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-894</guid>
		<description>All of my favorite authors at present were discovered through the wonder of the internet; through LJ, more specifically, since I read several booklogs there. But although I read a few author's blogs, they're mostly because I'm friends with the author (not always because their blog is amazing and interesting...), and I definitely place the most emphasis on word-of-mouth. Whether those recs come online or IRL, it doesn't really matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of my favorite authors at present were discovered through the wonder of the internet; through LJ, more specifically, since I read several booklogs there. But although I read a few author&#8217;s blogs, they&#8217;re mostly because I&#8217;m friends with the author (not always because their blog is amazing and interesting&#8230;), and I definitely place the most emphasis on word-of-mouth. Whether those recs come online or IRL, it doesn&#8217;t really matter.</p>
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		<title>By: lyda morehouse</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-893</link>
		<author>lyda morehouse</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-893</guid>
		<description>I feel the same way.  I have a serious love/hate relationship with blogging.  I sense, as you do, that it's an authorial obligation, but I also think that readers (of blogs and books) are smart enough to sense when you're writing just to be noticed versus actually having something important/interesting/humorous to say.  

Thus I tend to blog only when I have something to say -- or I spend FAR TOO MUCH TIME thinking of something that's actually meaningful to me -- time that I should be spending writing fiction.

I hear ya, sister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel the same way.  I have a serious love/hate relationship with blogging.  I sense, as you do, that it&#8217;s an authorial obligation, but I also think that readers (of blogs and books) are smart enough to sense when you&#8217;re writing just to be noticed versus actually having something important/interesting/humorous to say.  </p>
<p>Thus I tend to blog only when I have something to say &#8212; or I spend FAR TOO MUCH TIME thinking of something that&#8217;s actually meaningful to me &#8212; time that I should be spending writing fiction.</p>
<p>I hear ya, sister.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Wester Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-892</link>
		<author>Karen Wester Newton</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  I think the fact that publishers expect authors to do their own publicity means an author has to have a web presence.  

However, whether that really helps an author get more popular or not is another question.  My understanding is that book stores like authors to have web sites because it helps them answer customer questions.  And I think once a writers has readers, those folks like to go to the author's site to check what's coming up.  I do know some avid readers who will try a new author and if they like the book, they then check for that author's website to see what else is out there.

As someone trying to break in, I have a website because supposedly editors sometimes check to see if new writers have them.

Of course it you're Stephen King or JK Rowling, you don't worry about it.  But in my opinion, most authors can't afford not to have a website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  I think the fact that publishers expect authors to do their own publicity means an author has to have a web presence.  </p>
<p>However, whether that really helps an author get more popular or not is another question.  My understanding is that book stores like authors to have web sites because it helps them answer customer questions.  And I think once a writers has readers, those folks like to go to the author&#8217;s site to check what&#8217;s coming up.  I do know some avid readers who will try a new author and if they like the book, they then check for that author&#8217;s website to see what else is out there.</p>
<p>As someone trying to break in, I have a website because supposedly editors sometimes check to see if new writers have them.</p>
<p>Of course it you&#8217;re Stephen King or JK Rowling, you don&#8217;t worry about it.  But in my opinion, most authors can&#8217;t afford not to have a website.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-891</link>
		<author>Lynne Thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found a couple of new authors through this blog. I had already been reading Tate and Kelly, but I picked up Mindy Klasky's latest book, along with a book by Marjorie M. Liu after seeing her blog.

So, yes, sometimes it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a couple of new authors through this blog. I had already been reading Tate and Kelly, but I picked up Mindy Klasky&#8217;s latest book, along with a book by Marjorie M. Liu after seeing her blog.</p>
<p>So, yes, sometimes it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/10/28/start-the-conversation-without-me/#comment-890</link>
		<author>Angela</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been a few writers whom I've discovered via reading their blogs. There have been more whom I've vowed never to read because something on their blogs strikes me as so offensive or egregious. Not that I don't have writers whose books I love &#38; whose politics or personality I don't like--but given how there's never going to be enough time to read all the books I want in the world, when it comes to prioritizing, I'll strike an author off my list if their blog really, really offends me. 

For my current top favorite writers, I think mostly they are old favorites, ones whom I discovered via reading reviews online or by friends' recommendations. But for discovering new writers I definitely enjoy reading their comments on blogs (their own or others'). And often I hear about new writers I like on the blogs of authors I already read ("My friend x is coming out w/this amazing book, you should all read it!").</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been a few writers whom I&#8217;ve discovered via reading their blogs. There have been more whom I&#8217;ve vowed never to read because something on their blogs strikes me as so offensive or egregious. Not that I don&#8217;t have writers whose books I love &amp; whose politics or personality I don&#8217;t like&#8211;but given how there&#8217;s never going to be enough time to read all the books I want in the world, when it comes to prioritizing, I&#8217;ll strike an author off my list if their blog really, really offends me. </p>
<p>For my current top favorite writers, I think mostly they are old favorites, ones whom I discovered via reading reviews online or by friends&#8217; recommendations. But for discovering new writers I definitely enjoy reading their comments on blogs (their own or others&#8217;). And often I hear about new writers I like on the blogs of authors I already read (&#8221;My friend x is coming out w/this amazing book, you should all read it!&#8221;).</p>
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