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		<title>By: Ticking of the clock at SF Novelists</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-439</link>
		<author>Ticking of the clock at SF Novelists</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Prineas posted on promotion a week ago, and it&#8217;s a topic I&#8217;d like to explore a little [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Simon Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-399</link>
		<author>Simon Haynes</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm all for promotion as long as it doesn't cross the line into making a nuisance of myself.

I've been working in small business since 1988, and I always seem to end up in a marketing role, whether that's designing brochures, writing ad copy, laying out artwork or knocking up websites. Therefore, treating my own books as a product to be promoted comes naturally to me. In fact, I thrive on the challenge.

I spend a fair bit of money giving away many copies of my books, which I believe is the most effective form of promotion. Sure, posting a book overseas costs as much as a fistful of bookmarks, postcards or other widgets, but what's the chance someone will just throw a free book away?

As an example, this is what I ended up with:
http://www.spacejock.com.au/HalNotify.html

The other point is that I'm writing a series of books, not standalones, and if I get someone hooked there are other titles in the same series for them to buy &#38; read. (I'm just putting the finishing touches to Hal Spacejock #4 - No Free Lunch - and already have books 5 and 6 planned out.)

If you're a series author, then promo could be the difference between obscurity and slightly less obscurity. And don't we all lust for the latter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for promotion as long as it doesn&#8217;t cross the line into making a nuisance of myself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working in small business since 1988, and I always seem to end up in a marketing role, whether that&#8217;s designing brochures, writing ad copy, laying out artwork or knocking up websites. Therefore, treating my own books as a product to be promoted comes naturally to me. In fact, I thrive on the challenge.</p>
<p>I spend a fair bit of money giving away many copies of my books, which I believe is the most effective form of promotion. Sure, posting a book overseas costs as much as a fistful of bookmarks, postcards or other widgets, but what&#8217;s the chance someone will just throw a free book away?</p>
<p>As an example, this is what I ended up with:<br />
<a href="http://www.spacejock.com.au/HalNotify.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spacejock.com.au/HalNotify.html</a></p>
<p>The other point is that I&#8217;m writing a series of books, not standalones, and if I get someone hooked there are other titles in the same series for them to buy &amp; read. (I&#8217;m just putting the finishing touches to Hal Spacejock #4 - No Free Lunch - and already have books 5 and 6 planned out.)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a series author, then promo could be the difference between obscurity and slightly less obscurity. And don&#8217;t we all lust for the latter?</p>
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		<title>By: SarahP</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-391</link>
		<author>SarahP</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; If they're not, are you really going to just sigh and wait for fate?&lt;/i&gt;

Nope, I'll be writing my next book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> If they&#8217;re not, are you really going to just sigh and wait for fate?</i></p>
<p>Nope, I&#8217;ll be writing my next book.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Samphire</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-390</link>
		<author>Patrick Samphire</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-390</guid>
		<description>--E said:

&lt;em&gt;But author promoing directly to readers has a different function. Given that the #2 reason people buy a particular book is friend-recommendation (#1 is that they liked the author’s previous work), what a writer needs is a critical mass of “seed readers”–people willing to try a book by someone they never heard of.&lt;/em&gt;

I agree with this. The critical mass of readers, and a degree of name recognition, are what really count. It's true, of course, that you're not going to make sales to every person you talk or read to. Maybe only a fraction of them. But if they tell their friends, and if they recognise your name, you're building an audience.

As to whether a few hundred extra sales makes a difference, well, that depends on how big your print run is. If your print run is 100,000, it doesn't make a jot of difference. If your print run is 5,000, it certainly does. If it means fewer returns from bookstores, then you're building your chances for your next book, and so on. And, of course, you want people to read your books, right? That's why you wrote them? I'm happy every time anyone reads one of my stories.

Of course, if your publisher is promoting you heavily, all you need to do is go along with it. If they're not, are you really going to just sigh and wait for fate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;E said:</p>
<p><em>But author promoing directly to readers has a different function. Given that the #2 reason people buy a particular book is friend-recommendation (#1 is that they liked the author’s previous work), what a writer needs is a critical mass of “seed readers”–people willing to try a book by someone they never heard of.</em></p>
<p>I agree with this. The critical mass of readers, and a degree of name recognition, are what really count. It&#8217;s true, of course, that you&#8217;re not going to make sales to every person you talk or read to. Maybe only a fraction of them. But if they tell their friends, and if they recognise your name, you&#8217;re building an audience.</p>
<p>As to whether a few hundred extra sales makes a difference, well, that depends on how big your print run is. If your print run is 100,000, it doesn&#8217;t make a jot of difference. If your print run is 5,000, it certainly does. If it means fewer returns from bookstores, then you&#8217;re building your chances for your next book, and so on. And, of course, you want people to read your books, right? That&#8217;s why you wrote them? I&#8217;m happy every time anyone reads one of my stories.</p>
<p>Of course, if your publisher is promoting you heavily, all you need to do is go along with it. If they&#8217;re not, are you really going to just sigh and wait for fate?</p>
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		<title>By: --E</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-382</link>
		<author>--E</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me that the reason bookbuyers are important in the equation is that they're in a position to put the book in plain view. There's a big difference between a book on a special promo table (or even a book face-out on the shelves) and a book that's buried on some lower shelf somewhere. (Yes, I know the publishers pay for the display tables. But it's pointless if they don't get the bookbuyers to agree. B&#38;N can choose to sell the space to a different publisher.)

There's also a big difference between three copies of a book on the shelf and ten or twenty copies. Sell-through can never be 100% because (a) the fewer copies of a book on the shelf, the less noticable it is, and (b) readers recognize, at least subliminally, that "popular" books have more copies available. Aggregate is eye-catching.

But author promoing directly to readers has a different function. Given that the #2 reason people buy a particular book is friend-recommendation (#1 is that they liked the author's previous work), what a writer needs is a critical mass of "seed readers"--people willing to try a book by someone they never heard of. Ideally the readers fall in love with this book and start pressing it on all their friends, reviewing it on their blog, using it as an example in literary discussions. With enough of these people, you get a repeat-echo effect, which works much like the "many copies on the shelf" effect: &lt;i&gt;If we're seeing it a lot, it must be worth checking out,&lt;/i&gt; say readers.

Buzz comes in different flavors. So does success. Sometimes authors hit big on their first novel. More commonly (particularly in the reader-driven genre markets), they build a following over the course of several books. The slow build is usually the result of savvy readers liking the books. When that number gets high enough, the pub house adds their push, in order to find the less-savvy readers who never go further than the "New Books!" display at the front of the store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that the reason bookbuyers are important in the equation is that they&#8217;re in a position to put the book in plain view. There&#8217;s a big difference between a book on a special promo table (or even a book face-out on the shelves) and a book that&#8217;s buried on some lower shelf somewhere. (Yes, I know the publishers pay for the display tables. But it&#8217;s pointless if they don&#8217;t get the bookbuyers to agree. B&amp;N can choose to sell the space to a different publisher.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a big difference between three copies of a book on the shelf and ten or twenty copies. Sell-through can never be 100% because (a) the fewer copies of a book on the shelf, the less noticable it is, and (b) readers recognize, at least subliminally, that &#8220;popular&#8221; books have more copies available. Aggregate is eye-catching.</p>
<p>But author promoing directly to readers has a different function. Given that the #2 reason people buy a particular book is friend-recommendation (#1 is that they liked the author&#8217;s previous work), what a writer needs is a critical mass of &#8220;seed readers&#8221;&#8211;people willing to try a book by someone they never heard of. Ideally the readers fall in love with this book and start pressing it on all their friends, reviewing it on their blog, using it as an example in literary discussions. With enough of these people, you get a repeat-echo effect, which works much like the &#8220;many copies on the shelf&#8221; effect: <i>If we&#8217;re seeing it a lot, it must be worth checking out,</i> say readers.</p>
<p>Buzz comes in different flavors. So does success. Sometimes authors hit big on their first novel. More commonly (particularly in the reader-driven genre markets), they build a following over the course of several books. The slow build is usually the result of savvy readers liking the books. When that number gets high enough, the pub house adds their push, in order to find the less-savvy readers who never go further than the &#8220;New Books!&#8221; display at the front of the store.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly McCullough</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-375</link>
		<author>Kelly McCullough</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For that matter, 300 more books sold isn't going to make much difference to the author's bottom line. Here are some numbers I worked out a while back:

In the first six months of my first book I sold an average of 75 copies a day every day. That earned out my advance plus ten percent. This is fabulous and I'm delighted. But in order to have any real impact on sales I'd need to find something that would improve that by a minimum of something like ten books per day every day for a similar period. To have a career that will allow me to survive without a second job or a spouse who is the primary source of income and insurance I would need to sell at least 150 books a day every day for the rest of my life +inflation. To make a &lt;i&gt;decent&lt;/i&gt; living I'd need to make that something more like 300 books a day. To crack six figures it'd have to be ~800 books a day.

That's all mass market paperback. Trade or hardcover is going to change the numbers, but 300 books or even 3,000 is a really small number in comparison to the scale of a writing career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For that matter, 300 more books sold isn&#8217;t going to make much difference to the author&#8217;s bottom line. Here are some numbers I worked out a while back:</p>
<p>In the first six months of my first book I sold an average of 75 copies a day every day. That earned out my advance plus ten percent. This is fabulous and I&#8217;m delighted. But in order to have any real impact on sales I&#8217;d need to find something that would improve that by a minimum of something like ten books per day every day for a similar period. To have a career that will allow me to survive without a second job or a spouse who is the primary source of income and insurance I would need to sell at least 150 books a day every day for the rest of my life +inflation. To make a <i>decent</i> living I&#8217;d need to make that something more like 300 books a day. To crack six figures it&#8217;d have to be ~800 books a day.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all mass market paperback. Trade or hardcover is going to change the numbers, but 300 books or even 3,000 is a really small number in comparison to the scale of a writing career.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahP</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-374</link>
		<author>SarahP</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick said:

&lt;i&gt;What if they're putting it out there and then seeing what happens? How much do *you* want your book to succeed?&lt;/i&gt;

The thing I want to know is, do any of the marketing efforts of a lone author make a difference in how the publishing house perceives the book's success?  

I tend to think not.  Those individual reaching-out-to-readers moves by authors are going to result in how many more book sales?  Hundreds?  Is that enough to make a difference?  The editor might note the effort and appreciate it, but let's face it, 300 more books sold is not going to matter that much when we're talking about the house's bottom line.  

Self promotion seems to me a good way for authors to maintain this illusion that they have control over their writing careers.    

There, that's worms all over the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick said:</p>
<p><i>What if they&#8217;re putting it out there and then seeing what happens? How much do *you* want your book to succeed?</i></p>
<p>The thing I want to know is, do any of the marketing efforts of a lone author make a difference in how the publishing house perceives the book&#8217;s success?  </p>
<p>I tend to think not.  Those individual reaching-out-to-readers moves by authors are going to result in how many more book sales?  Hundreds?  Is that enough to make a difference?  The editor might note the effort and appreciate it, but let&#8217;s face it, 300 more books sold is not going to matter that much when we&#8217;re talking about the house&#8217;s bottom line.  </p>
<p>Self promotion seems to me a good way for authors to maintain this illusion that they have control over their writing careers.    </p>
<p>There, that&#8217;s worms all over the place.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Samphire</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-373</link>
		<author>Patrick Samphire</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me it's fairly clear that unless you're one of those people who are lucky enough to be pushed as a lead author for a publishing house (hi Sarah! ;p) you're going to have to put in a lot of effort in marketing both it and yourself. It certainly *feels* fair to say that publishers should be pushing it if they want you to be a success, but what if they aren't expecting great things of your book? What if they're putting it out there and then seeing what happens? How much do *you* want your book to succeed? 

Publishers want to earn back their expenditure, of course, and they'd love you to be an explosive success, but they're not going to put in the kind of money to each book that would ensure it. It doesn't make financial success to them. 

I think there's a lot you can do, though, beyond the bookmarks/magnets/postcards thing. If you're a children's author, you can go to schools and libraries. If you're writing adult sff you can go to cons and get involved in online communities. You can do promotion on Youtube and the like. You can think up angles that might get you local news coverage. And so on. None of it will pay for itself directly, but it builds your profile and helps you get that closer to the buzz you need. The chances are no one else will be doing this kind of stuff for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me it&#8217;s fairly clear that unless you&#8217;re one of those people who are lucky enough to be pushed as a lead author for a publishing house (hi Sarah! ;p) you&#8217;re going to have to put in a lot of effort in marketing both it and yourself. It certainly *feels* fair to say that publishers should be pushing it if they want you to be a success, but what if they aren&#8217;t expecting great things of your book? What if they&#8217;re putting it out there and then seeing what happens? How much do *you* want your book to succeed? </p>
<p>Publishers want to earn back their expenditure, of course, and they&#8217;d love you to be an explosive success, but they&#8217;re not going to put in the kind of money to each book that would ensure it. It doesn&#8217;t make financial success to them. </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a lot you can do, though, beyond the bookmarks/magnets/postcards thing. If you&#8217;re a children&#8217;s author, you can go to schools and libraries. If you&#8217;re writing adult sff you can go to cons and get involved in online communities. You can do promotion on Youtube and the like. You can think up angles that might get you local news coverage. And so on. None of it will pay for itself directly, but it builds your profile and helps you get that closer to the buzz you need. The chances are no one else will be doing this kind of stuff for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-371</link>
		<author>Blue Tyson</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No ideas about postcards, conventions, etc., never seen one.

Can never have too many bookmarks, they seem to vanish faster than socks or pens. :)  Which might mean not so good for advertising, though.

Is it worth spending time on a website/blog that at a minimum has a bibliography or occasional update?  Yeah, that has sold me stuff.  You aren't going to reach lots of us with any of the above.  Eric Flint writes about in JBU how obscure the book market is.  He is right.  This sort of thing absolutely helps.

Blogger etc. is free, so meets the 'free' rule mentioned above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No ideas about postcards, conventions, etc., never seen one.</p>
<p>Can never have too many bookmarks, they seem to vanish faster than socks or pens. <img src='http://www.sfnovelists.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Which might mean not so good for advertising, though.</p>
<p>Is it worth spending time on a website/blog that at a minimum has a bibliography or occasional update?  Yeah, that has sold me stuff.  You aren&#8217;t going to reach lots of us with any of the above.  Eric Flint writes about in JBU how obscure the book market is.  He is right.  This sort of thing absolutely helps.</p>
<p>Blogger etc. is free, so meets the &#8216;free&#8217; rule mentioned above.</p>
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		<title>By: Diatryma</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/09/10/promo-yes-or-no/#comment-370</link>
		<author>Diatryma</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm more likely to enjoy a book if I've already made up my mind about it.  Stupid brain trick, I know, but if I've heard it's good from other people, I like it better.  I am slightly prejudiced against postcards because I very seldom see any for books I think I'll like, unless they're anthologies.  I think someone (SL Viehl at Paperback Writer?) broke down con appearances and sales, pointing out that for most cons, even if you sell a copy to every single person who attended, you won't make back your plane ticket. 
It seems like most of what the author can do is word of mouth, becoming an author whose books are bought on name alone.  I can comment only as a reader, but that's what works for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more likely to enjoy a book if I&#8217;ve already made up my mind about it.  Stupid brain trick, I know, but if I&#8217;ve heard it&#8217;s good from other people, I like it better.  I am slightly prejudiced against postcards because I very seldom see any for books I think I&#8217;ll like, unless they&#8217;re anthologies.  I think someone (SL Viehl at Paperback Writer?) broke down con appearances and sales, pointing out that for most cons, even if you sell a copy to every single person who attended, you won&#8217;t make back your plane ticket.<br />
It seems like most of what the author can do is word of mouth, becoming an author whose books are bought on name alone.  I can comment only as a reader, but that&#8217;s what works for me.</p>
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