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		<title>By: Cameron Lowe</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-214</link>
		<author>Cameron Lowe</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-214</guid>
		<description>For the most part, I don't mind the occasional spoiler.  I think reviewing any movie, book, or video game without revealing too much information is a talent, and should be praised as such.  However, it really doesn't bother me overly much to read a spoiler or two, mostly for the reasons others have listed - if it's a good movie or book, I'll check it out anyways.

One problem I've been having lately with movies in particular is that the "twists" are pretty darned blatant almost from the start.  In a mediocre movie, this is a deal-breaker, but if a movie is made well enough or has something else to offer, then I'll happily watch the rest of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the most part, I don&#8217;t mind the occasional spoiler.  I think reviewing any movie, book, or video game without revealing too much information is a talent, and should be praised as such.  However, it really doesn&#8217;t bother me overly much to read a spoiler or two, mostly for the reasons others have listed - if it&#8217;s a good movie or book, I&#8217;ll check it out anyways.</p>
<p>One problem I&#8217;ve been having lately with movies in particular is that the &#8220;twists&#8221; are pretty darned blatant almost from the start.  In a mediocre movie, this is a deal-breaker, but if a movie is made well enough or has something else to offer, then I&#8217;ll happily watch the rest of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-202</link>
		<author>Simon Haynes</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-202</guid>
		<description>I don't like spoilers or movie trailers. I avoid network tv and I don't even go to the movies because by the time they've finished previewing something you've already had the best bits in a convenient 30-second summary.

Instead, it's DVDs and the TV projector for me: Movies at home with surround sound. I might only watch something every 3-4 weeks, but I enjoy it immensely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like spoilers or movie trailers. I avoid network tv and I don&#8217;t even go to the movies because by the time they&#8217;ve finished previewing something you&#8217;ve already had the best bits in a convenient 30-second summary.</p>
<p>Instead, it&#8217;s DVDs and the TV projector for me: Movies at home with surround sound. I might only watch something every 3-4 weeks, but I enjoy it immensely.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly McCullough</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-201</link>
		<author>Kelly McCullough</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-201</guid>
		<description>Hey, Michael,

I'm just glad you read it and found bits fascinating. How you read it, particularly in light of the way I read things, is something between you and the text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Michael,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just glad you read it and found bits fascinating. How you read it, particularly in light of the way I read things, is something between you and the text.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-199</link>
		<author>Kate Elliott</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-199</guid>
		<description>I prefer to be unspoiled.  Because I like to be surprised.   (or not, since sometimes you know what is coming, but in that case - say, girl and boy get together - then you really are reading for the journey not the destination.)

I didn't read HP for about 3 weeks either, and I was careful to avoid spoilers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer to be unspoiled.  Because I like to be surprised.   (or not, since sometimes you know what is coming, but in that case - say, girl and boy get together - then you really are reading for the journey not the destination.)</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t read HP for about 3 weeks either, and I was careful to avoid spoilers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-197</link>
		<author>Michael M Jones</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-197</guid>
		<description>I'll often flip to the end if I'm worried about something.  Like if it's not a romance novel, and I wanted to know who lives, who dies, and how that romance I saw coming early on turns out.  Or if someone I suspect to be evil really is.

Because for me?  It's all about the journey.  Knowing if someone lives or dies, falls in love or not, doesn't spoil my enjoyment of HOW they got there.  (And yes, Kelly, I do the same to your books, because I happen to find Ravirn and Cerice fascinating and I HAD to know how they turn out...)

As a reviewer, I am almost pathologically opposed to revealing spoilers to other people, though.  Unless they outright ask me, I will just nod and smile and refuse to give away The Big Twist.  In my reviews, I will tease and tantalize and try to make people want to buy the book for themselves.
I believe in a certain code of reviewer ethics that says Thou Shalt Not Spoil The Book For Others.  :&#62;

Just my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll often flip to the end if I&#8217;m worried about something.  Like if it&#8217;s not a romance novel, and I wanted to know who lives, who dies, and how that romance I saw coming early on turns out.  Or if someone I suspect to be evil really is.</p>
<p>Because for me?  It&#8217;s all about the journey.  Knowing if someone lives or dies, falls in love or not, doesn&#8217;t spoil my enjoyment of HOW they got there.  (And yes, Kelly, I do the same to your books, because I happen to find Ravirn and Cerice fascinating and I HAD to know how they turn out&#8230;)</p>
<p>As a reviewer, I am almost pathologically opposed to revealing spoilers to other people, though.  Unless they outright ask me, I will just nod and smile and refuse to give away The Big Twist.  In my reviews, I will tease and tantalize and try to make people want to buy the book for themselves.<br />
I believe in a certain code of reviewer ethics that says Thou Shalt Not Spoil The Book For Others.  :&gt;</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly McCullough</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-196</link>
		<author>Kelly McCullough</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-196</guid>
		<description>It varies for me, in part because I've got about 300 book on my to-read pile. 

If I'm enjoying a book but sense a train wreck coming on–this happens more than I'd like–I'll flip to the back to see if I get the train wreck. If I do, I put the book in the goes to the used bookstore stack. If I don't I read on. Likewise, if I'm not enjoying a book much after the first 10 pages or so, I'll flip to the back to see if it goes where I think it's going, or if it gets better. If it gets better, I'll give it another 10-50 pages before I make a decision about whether or not to put it aside. 

With HP, I had very strong sense that one kind of ending would be a betrayal of why I read Rowling. I flipped to the end solely to see if Harry lived, trying to avoid all other spoilers. Once I knew the answer to that question agreed with what I'm interested in seeing, I was willing to read on. If it hadn't, I wouldn't have bothered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It varies for me, in part because I&#8217;ve got about 300 book on my to-read pile. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m enjoying a book but sense a train wreck coming on–this happens more than I&#8217;d like–I&#8217;ll flip to the back to see if I get the train wreck. If I do, I put the book in the goes to the used bookstore stack. If I don&#8217;t I read on. Likewise, if I&#8217;m not enjoying a book much after the first 10 pages or so, I&#8217;ll flip to the back to see if it goes where I think it&#8217;s going, or if it gets better. If it gets better, I&#8217;ll give it another 10-50 pages before I make a decision about whether or not to put it aside. </p>
<p>With HP, I had very strong sense that one kind of ending would be a betrayal of why I read Rowling. I flipped to the end solely to see if Harry lived, trying to avoid all other spoilers. Once I knew the answer to that question agreed with what I&#8217;m interested in seeing, I was willing to read on. If it hadn&#8217;t, I wouldn&#8217;t have bothered.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Wester Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-195</link>
		<author>Karen Wester Newton</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-195</guid>
		<description>Weird!  I thought I commented through LJ but it didn't show up here.

I can't stand it when reviewers reveal the story ending! I don't mind it so much if they just give you the "set up" (i.e., what makes the situation interesting), but they often go too far! What's the point in creating a story with some tension and suspense if some reviewer (or trailer-maker in the case of movies) is going to poke a hole and let the tension all leak out beforehand?

I went to a reading at a con once where the author read from his third book in a series. I had read only the first book; the second one had come out fairly recently and the third one wasn't due out for months (he read from m.s. pages) and he read from near the end of the book! I totally didn't get why. He told us not only that the protagonist survived but the villain and some of the secondary characters were still around. It's called a reading not a spoiling!

Doh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird!  I thought I commented through LJ but it didn&#8217;t show up here.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stand it when reviewers reveal the story ending! I don&#8217;t mind it so much if they just give you the &#8220;set up&#8221; (i.e., what makes the situation interesting), but they often go too far! What&#8217;s the point in creating a story with some tension and suspense if some reviewer (or trailer-maker in the case of movies) is going to poke a hole and let the tension all leak out beforehand?</p>
<p>I went to a reading at a con once where the author read from his third book in a series. I had read only the first book; the second one had come out fairly recently and the third one wasn&#8217;t due out for months (he read from m.s. pages) and he read from near the end of the book! I totally didn&#8217;t get why. He told us not only that the protagonist survived but the villain and some of the secondary characters were still around. It&#8217;s called a reading not a spoiling!</p>
<p>Doh!</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Pharaoh Francis</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-193</link>
		<author>Diana Pharaoh Francis</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-193</guid>
		<description>You know, sometimes I will go read the last pages of a book and it doesn't bother me one bit.  It used to.  But now for me, it's more about the characters and how they get there.  Unless it's a mystery.  Then I get pissed.  I'm so glad when I saw The Sixth Sense I didn't know what what was coming!  On the other hand, it aggravates me when reviewers give it away.  I think it's more on the behalf of people who mind than not.  It seems that reviewers have an obligation to discuss the book or movie without giving away major plot spoilers.  That's their job (or the role they take on when reviewing).  I think it can be done well and thoroughly without giving away the spoilers.  If the reviewer takes the time.

I do agree with David--if I like a book, I'll reread it and more than once.  Same with movies.  And now it appears I need to actually watch The Prestige, which I taped on the DVR recently and haven't got around to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, sometimes I will go read the last pages of a book and it doesn&#8217;t bother me one bit.  It used to.  But now for me, it&#8217;s more about the characters and how they get there.  Unless it&#8217;s a mystery.  Then I get pissed.  I&#8217;m so glad when I saw The Sixth Sense I didn&#8217;t know what what was coming!  On the other hand, it aggravates me when reviewers give it away.  I think it&#8217;s more on the behalf of people who mind than not.  It seems that reviewers have an obligation to discuss the book or movie without giving away major plot spoilers.  That&#8217;s their job (or the role they take on when reviewing).  I think it can be done well and thoroughly without giving away the spoilers.  If the reviewer takes the time.</p>
<p>I do agree with David&#8211;if I like a book, I&#8217;ll reread it and more than once.  Same with movies.  And now it appears I need to actually watch The Prestige, which I taped on the DVR recently and haven&#8217;t got around to.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-192</link>
		<author>Lisa</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-192</guid>
		<description>I personally don't mind spoilers at all--I avoided them for Harry Potter, because the HP books focus so much on plot, but normally I'll happily click on spoiler links in book reviews. I follow the same logic as David--if the book is truly spoiled by knowing its plot beforehand, then it's not a book worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t mind spoilers at all&#8211;I avoided them for Harry Potter, because the HP books focus so much on plot, but normally I&#8217;ll happily click on spoiler links in book reviews. I follow the same logic as David&#8211;if the book is truly spoiled by knowing its plot beforehand, then it&#8217;s not a book worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrianne Middleton</title>
		<link>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-190</link>
		<author>Adrianne Middleton</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sfnovelists.com/2007/08/25/to-spoil-or-not-to-spoil/#comment-190</guid>
		<description>HP7 is on my tbr stack. Haven't gotten to it yet. I spent the first week enforcing our "Don't tell me what happens!" rule. I want to enjoy it when I get round to it. So, I'll wait to read what happens to Jane rather than demanding to know what happens. Besides. The devil, or the best part, is in the details.

Adrianne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP7 is on my tbr stack. Haven&#8217;t gotten to it yet. I spent the first week enforcing our &#8220;Don&#8217;t tell me what happens!&#8221; rule. I want to enjoy it when I get round to it. So, I&#8217;ll wait to read what happens to Jane rather than demanding to know what happens. Besides. The devil, or the best part, is in the details.</p>
<p>Adrianne</p>
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